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#1    Blackleaf

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Posted 25 May 2005 - 09:33 AM

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The most colourful story in what was a busy weekend for EU news was a report that France's floundering yes campaign is hoping that the votes of jungle tribesmen in south America will push support for the constitution over the crucial fifty percent mark.

A hangover from its days as a colonial power, France has dominions (DOM-TOMs) dotted around the globe. Citizens of these dominions are accorded full voting status in referenda - and president Chirac is hoping that these 1.4 million votes will tip the balance in the very tight "home" referendum.

French Guyana's Wayampi Indians make peculiar Frenchmen, but French they are. The women often give birth at ten and are grandparents in their twenties (actually, they sound more like English girls). They wear red loincloths and, rather than striking and grumbling, list hunting and gathering as their favoured pastimes.

However, like their counterparts in mainland France, they and their fellow DOM TOM Frenchmen have been on the receiving end of numerous ill-concealed bribes to ensure they continue their tradition of supporting governments in referenda. Earlier this year, students from the DOM TOMs were granted free annual air tickets to France. Banana growers in the Caribbean received a big subsidy. Copies of the constitution treaty are being shipped to all corners of the French-ruled world, in the hope that like the 1992 Maastricht vote, a couple of hundred thousand votes from citizens who have never set foot in France will edge out dissenting voices in the mother country.

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Posted 25 May 2005 - 12:37 PM

And hears hoping after all the tricks pulled out by chirac the answer is still going to be NO thumbsup.gif

Reminds me a wee bit like the stunt blair tried in the last election,postal voting ,what a scam no.gif


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Posted 25 May 2005 - 12:39 PM

Postal voting did actually increase turnout, but not enough sadly.
I wish I could vote...

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Posted 25 May 2005 - 12:45 PM

QUOTE(Mr Ed @ May 25 2005, 12:39 PM)
Postal voting did actually increase turnout, but not enough sadly.
I wish I could vote...

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The true stories that have came out since the election of rigged postal voting is horendous,people have been put in jail for less(thats if you can find a cell with less than 4 in it already)

You wish you could vote..........i wish i still had all of that still to come


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Posted 25 May 2005 - 12:48 PM

Wasn't it mostly Tory candidates that got in trouble for rigging voting?

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Posted 25 May 2005 - 01:34 PM

QUOTE(Mr Ed @ May 25 2005, 12:48 PM)
Wasn't it mostly Tory candidates that got in trouble for rigging voting?

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You have been listening to stories put out by Cambells office,i thought you would have known that  ph34r.gif


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Posted 26 May 2005 - 02:06 PM

French EU 'No' vote firms before last Chirac pitch

By Paul Carrel
PARIS (Reuters) - A new opinion poll on Thursday put France firmly on course to reject the European Union's new constitution, increasing pressure on President Jacques Chirac before his final plea to voters to back the charter.

(Go Jacques go!)

Chirac was due to make a nationwide television address at 8:00 p.m. (1800 GMT), seen as his last chance to persuade voters not to use Sunday's referendum to punish him and his government for unpopular economic policies.

(Go Jacques go!)

A French rejection of the constitution could kill the charter, undermining France's role in the 25-member bloc and causing a crisis of confidence in the EU that delays integration and raises jitters on financial markets.

(Go Jacques go!)

The new survey by the TNS Sofres-Unilog polling group put opposition to the charter at 54 percent of people who had decided how to vote, a one percentage point increase from the group's previous poll almost two weeks earlier.

(Go Jacques go!)

Some 20 percent of those questioned in the poll did not give a view -- a pool of undecided voters which the "Yes" and "No" camps are trying to sway.

(Go Jacques go!)

"It's not the opinion polls that count. It's the vote," former Socialist prime minister Laurent Fabius, a leading opponent of the treaty, told France Info radio. "I call for a massive turnout so that there is a meaningful result."

(Go Jacques go!)

Eleven successive polls have put the "No" camp ahead in France. Surveys show rejectionists also clearly ahead in the Netherlands, which votes on the treaty on June 1.

(Go Jacques go!)

Dutch politicians have proposed holding a second vote if the Netherlands rejects the treaty, which sets new rules to make the EU run more smoothly following its enlargement last year. Paris has ruled out a second referendum in France.

(Go Jacques go!)

Underlining markets' sensitivity to the outcome of the vote, the euro rose slightly against the dollar after a spokesman for Nicolas Sarkozy denied the leader of France's ruling conservative party had said the referendum was already lost.

(Go Jacques go!)

Le Figaro newspaper quoted Sarkozy on Wednesday as saying of the outcome: "It will be a small 'No' or a big 'No'."

(Go Jacques go!)


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Posted 27 May 2005 - 07:20 AM

QUOTE(Blackleaf @ May 26 2005, 02:06 PM)
French EU 'No' vote firms before last Chirac pitch

By Paul Carrel
PARIS (Reuters) - A new opinion poll on Thursday put France firmly on course to reject the European Union's new constitution, increasing pressure on President Jacques Chirac before his final plea to voters to back the charter.

(Go Jacques go!)

Chirac was due to make a nationwide television address at 8:00 p.m. (1800 GMT), seen as his last chance to persuade voters not to use Sunday's referendum to punish him and his government for unpopular economic policies.

(Go Jacques go!)

A French rejection of the constitution could kill the charter, undermining France's role in the 25-member bloc and causing a crisis of confidence in the EU that delays integration and raises jitters on financial markets.

(Go Jacques go!)

The new survey by the TNS Sofres-Unilog polling group put opposition to the charter at 54 percent of people who had decided how to vote, a one percentage point increase from the group's previous poll almost two weeks earlier.

(Go Jacques go!)

Some 20 percent of those questioned in the poll did not give a view -- a pool of undecided voters which the "Yes" and "No" camps are trying to sway.

(Go Jacques go!)

"It's not the opinion polls that count. It's the vote," former Socialist prime minister Laurent Fabius, a leading opponent of the treaty, told France Info radio. "I call for a massive turnout so that there is a meaningful result."

(Go Jacques go!)

Eleven successive polls have put the "No" camp ahead in France. Surveys show rejectionists also clearly ahead in the Netherlands, which votes on the treaty on June 1.

(Go Jacques go!)

Dutch politicians have proposed holding a second vote if the Netherlands rejects the treaty, which sets new rules to make the EU run more smoothly following its enlargement last year. Paris has ruled out a second referendum in France.

(Go Jacques go!)

Underlining markets' sensitivity to the outcome of the vote, the euro rose slightly against the dollar after a spokesman for Nicolas Sarkozy denied the leader of France's ruling conservative party had said the referendum was already lost.

(Go Jacques go!)

Le Figaro newspaper quoted Sarkozy on Wednesday as saying of the outcome: "It will be a small 'No' or a big 'No'."

(Go Jacques go!)


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Go jacques Go .................and keep bloody going .....infact dont come back at all angry.gif


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Posted 27 May 2005 - 05:39 PM

From The Sun -

Sneaky Chirac Blair plot
By TREVOR KAVANAGH, Political Editor, and MICHAEL LEA in Paris

CRAFTY Jacques Chirac last night vowed to make Tony Blair share his humiliation following defeat over the EU Constitution.


The French president hatched a plot to force Britain to hold a referendum — even if the French vote “Non” to the treaty on Sunday.

Mr Chirac is facing an embarrassing defeat and Mr Blair is desperate to avoid a similar outcome in Britain, which would destroy his career.

The PM insists there will be no constitution to vote on if France rejects it, with Holland following suit on Wednesday.

But French officials in London were last night suggesting it would be ILLEGAL for Britain to scrap the referendum.

Ambassador Gerard Errera is briefing journalists that Mr Chirac will insist all 25 EU states must go through the process of ratification.

He said a proper debate must be held in ALL European states — even if the answer is “No”.

And he is banking on Sun readers to force Mr Blair into honouring his vow to give them a say.







The ambush was sprung as Mr Chirac was told privately to brace himself for a landslide defeat.

Polls showing the “Non” camp leads by eight per cent.

Last night Mr Chirac told French voters to vote Yes to “obtain a political Europe capable of bringing about a genuine European power.”

He said approval was crucial “for the future of your children.”





Mr Blair is struggling to get off the hook by arguing that the constitution will be dead if the French vote against it.

But a Cabinet minister admitted nobody knows who will sign its death warrant — or when.



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Posted 27 May 2005 - 06:28 PM

grin2.gif Oh, goody, Chirac is in trouble. cool.gif Awwwwww. A landslide defeat! You don't say....  no.gif

Where's that super power deal, EU?

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 07:40 PM

QUOTE(Babs @ May 27 2005, 06:28 PM)
grin2.gif Oh, goody, Chirac is in trouble. cool.gif Awwwwww. A landslide defeat! You don't say....  no.gif

Where's that super power deal, EU?

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Its what i have been saying for months on the board

Chirac is a sleaze bag,he knows it is the end of a pathetic dream,and because blair coulnd`t jump in with both feet (because of the british public )he is willing to take doww a so called friend with him

Just imagin if they had got their wish and all went ahead,a couple of months down the line one of the heads has a ding dong with chirac and you know what your fate would be

Let them get on with their petty squables and pipe dreams and let us be ,why change a system that is working ?


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Posted 27 May 2005 - 09:28 PM

QUOTE(Blackleaf @ May 27 2005, 12:39 PM)
Last night Mr Chirac told French voters to vote Yes to “obtain a political Europe capable of bringing about a genuine European power.”

What's with the european quest for power?  Aren't we supposed to be all equals in this world?

QUOTE(Blackleaf @ May 27 2005, 12:39 PM)
He said approval was crucial “for the future of your children.”

I've heard something similar before... something for the children... hmm... can't place it, but I know I've heard something similar somewhere...


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Posted 28 May 2005 - 01:08 PM

Yeah, that gets me. They preach all this equality and behind closed doors attempt to get power to go up against the U.S.. Hypocritical, if you ask me. yes.gif

...and I don't want to forget, I've seen 'the green eyed monster' there too. cool.gif

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"The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation"

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Posted 28 May 2005 - 01:15 PM

QUOTE(Babs @ May 28 2005, 01:08 PM)
Yeah, that gets me. They preach all this equality and behind closed doors attempt to get power to go up against the U.S.. Hypocritical, if you ask me. yes.gif

...and I don't want to forget, I've seen 'the green eyed monster' there too. cool.gif

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Time to party tommorrow when the French vote NON NON NON  thumbsup.gif

THEN THE SAME AGAIN ON WEDENSDAY


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Posted 28 May 2005 - 01:15 PM

Hey warden!...happy to see you back. original.gif

"The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation"

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