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#1    __Kratos__

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Posted 08 June 2005 - 05:26 AM

In the eyes of god, is there any sins that are indeed unforgivable? Even if you repent.

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Posted 08 June 2005 - 12:27 PM

Luke 12:10 And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.


Blasphemy is the only unforgivable sin.

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Posted 08 June 2005 - 11:03 PM

QUOTE(101 @ Jun 8 2005, 07:27 AM)
Luke 12:10 And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.


Blasphemy is the only unforgivable sin.

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That is awesome! Thank-you.
I have become Bible-believing and God following just this past year. I have taken many Bible studies, and continue to do so, as well as have a good relationship with God. But I never saw this in Luke.
I am curious, I though there was no unforgiveable sin? I guess I was wrong, huh? lol I mean, the Bible says it, clearly. So do you think that a person who speaks bad about God, even after they have turned to Him, in heart, mind, body and soul, as well as repentance, worship,pryare and baptism, that He would not forgive? I think He owuld, but does the Bible state anywhere that all sins will be forgiven? Or is this more of an act than a sin? I just find this so fascinating. Did God mean that in this particular situation that blasemes will not be forgiven?
I deal with people bashing God often, and I get so upset, but take the 'ole WWJD approach and handle it as I think God would want me to.



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Posted 08 June 2005 - 11:05 PM

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[quote=101,Jun 8 2005, 07:27 AM]Luke 12:10 And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.


Blasphemy is the only unforgivable sin.
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Also, what do you think "the Holy Spirit" means in this particular verse? What would be an example of blasphemes do you think?
Sorry if I am bombarding you with Q's- maybe you dont even have answers or opinions to this, but thought I'd ask. Thanks!

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Posted 08 June 2005 - 11:14 PM

I was under the impression that taking your own life was the only unforgivable sin as you can never have a chance to repent for it.


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Posted 09 June 2005 - 12:31 PM

Hey Sriheidel, I found some info on the net.

I thought the same thing what is blasphemy really. I have always heard this through my mom and at church. so I found this with examples.

What is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?
Can A Christian Commit it?

     Jesus mentions a sin that is unforgivable in Matt. 12:31-32 and calls it blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. But what exactly is this unforgivable sin? For that, we need to look at the context.

Matt. 12:22-32 says, "Then there was brought to Him a demon-possessed man who was blind and dumb, and He healed him, so that the dumb man spoke and saw. 23And all the multitudes were amazed, and began to say, "This man cannot be the Son of David, can he?" 24But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "This man casts out demons only by Beelzebub the ruler of the demons." 25And knowing their thoughts He said to them, "Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself shall not stand. 26"And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then shall his kingdom stand? 27"And if I by Beelzebub cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? Consequently they shall be your judges. 28"But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29"Or how can anyone enter the strong manís house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30"He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters. 31"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32"And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come," (All Scripture quotes are from the NASB).

     Let me review this section briefly. In verse 22, Jesus healed a blind and dumb man. The Pharisees accuse Jesus of casting out demons by the power of "Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons" (v. 24). Jesus responds by saying that a kingdom divided will fall (vv. 25-28) and how the devil must first be bound before you can plunder his house (v. 29). In verses 31-32, He states that blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven in this age or the age to come.
     By simply looking at the context it becomes apparent that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is saying that Jesus did His miracles by the power of the devil. This is unforgivable. But why? We can find a clue by looking at when Jesus began His ministry.
     Jesus stated that His baptism was to "fulfill all righteousness," (Matt. 3:15). The word "fulfill" should cause us to think of the Old Testament. Basically, Jesus was baptized because He had to fulfill the Old Testament requirements for entering into the priesthood. He was a priest after the order of Melchizedek (Psalm 110:4; Heb. 5:8-10; 6:20). Priests offered sacrifice to God on behalf of the people. Jesus became a sacrifice for our sin (1 Pet. 2:21; 2 Cor. 5:21) in His role as priest. According to the Old Testament, in order for a priest to be consecrated as a priest, He had to be washed with water (Lev. 8:6; Exodus 29:4, Matt. 3:15) and anointed with oil (Lev. 8:12; Exodus 29:7; Matt. 3:16). Both of these were bestowed upon Jesus at His baptism. Additionally, He may have needed to be 30 years old - (Num. 4:3).
     The oil is representative of the Holy Spirit who descended upon Jesus at His baptism (Matt. 3:16). It was after His baptism that He began His ministry and started performing miracles. He did His miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit who had come upon Him at His baptism. The Pharisees - who knew that Jesus' miracles validated His words and ministry (see John 11:45-48) - were attempting to discredit Jesus' Messiahship by saying that His works were by the devil and not by the Holy Spirit. Therefore, when the Pharisees accused Jesus of casting out demons by the power of Satan, they were blaspheming the Holy Spirit by whom Jesus performed His miracles.  This is unforgivable because it struck at the very heart of the redemptive work of God in Christ. It struck at the very nature of Jesusí ministry of redemption, testimony, and teaching. Jesus was ministering in the power of the Holy Spirit Himself, fulfilling the divine plan of God to provide a sacrifice for our sins (John 3:16; 1 John 4:10). The Pharisees were attributing this to demonic activity. This is a great blasphemy.

Can a Believer Commit the Unforgivable Sin?

     No. A believer cannot commit the unforgivable sin. How can someone who has been born again (John 3:7), made a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17), and received eternal life (John 10:27-28) actually commit the unforgivable sin? He cannot. Jesus Himself said that we have eternal life, not conditional life: "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand." Besides, it says in 2 Cor. 5:17 that the Christian is a new creation in Christ. We are different, no longer slaves to the old nature (Rom. 6:14). We are regenerated by the Holy Spirit.
     There is no biblical support for a believer committing this sin. It just hasnít happened. Also, if you are worried that you may have committed the sin and canít be forgiven, then donít be concerned. If you are worrying about it, then you havenít committed it. If you are worried about it, then that is a sign that you have not committed it. If you had, you wouldnít be concerned.


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Posted 09 June 2005 - 12:58 PM

Yes, the Jewish people DID believe in the Holy Spirit. The name for the Holy Spirit was the Shekinah, and in gender in the Hebrew language was actually female. Whether the Shekinah/Holy Spirit was female or not no one really knows, but the word 'Elohim' a name for God, used in Genesis is two parts male (or plural male) and one part singular female. Could that be the Trinity, God & Jesus male, and the Shkinah/Holy Spirit female?

And yes, I brought this unforgivable sin up before....and the fact that the word for the Holy Spirit was of female gender. It's the ONLY sin which is said to be unforgivable.

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Posted 09 June 2005 - 01:09 PM

Wow.  So, during your life, you can kill, rape, steal, spit on the sidewalk, and litter.  If you are sincerely repentant, you will be forgiven and go to the heaven of god.  But, if you blaspheme, you are doomed, no matter what you may do.

Wow.

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Posted 09 June 2005 - 01:46 PM

Sad thought isn't it?

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Posted 09 June 2005 - 03:42 PM

Well let us say we spit and stuff on everybody? Is this nice,no so please no spitting in the forums.


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It is funny that only one sin is unforgivable. But I have also heard about the suicide thing in christianity. I will see about this. Because I always told myself as low as I ever get I can never kill myself because then I can't go to Heaven. This is sad.  no.gif

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Posted 09 June 2005 - 11:09 PM

As a Christian, I often see people bring up the suicide subject. Since there's no Scripture directly about it (at least not that I know of), here's my opinion, and reasoning behind it.

1. If you are a non-Believer, and commit suicide, then you will not enter Heaven. Reason being that you have never accepted Jesus' sacrifice and become born again.
2. If you are a Christian, and have truly been born again, then there is NOTHING that can take that away from you. I firmly believe that once you have accepted Christ, you can't un-accept Him. Therefore, the same rule would apply as if you had killed another person -- you would still go to Heaven.
3. Now, here's the kicker. People argue whether you are truly saved if you have the desire to commit murder and actually go THROUGH with it. In the end, though, the only ones who know that are you and God. Remember, every sin is just as bad as another (except Blapheming against the Holy Spirit, of course.), so murder is equal (not in severity, but in ugliness to God's eyes) to say, stealing. Christians still sin, after all.

Now, on the Blasphemy issue...this means that if you have seen the Truth, as was the case with the Pharisees witnessing Jesus' miracle, and you suppress it, ignore it, or otherwise deny it, then obviously you are wilfully staying in the "dark", as it were. It follows then that you cannot be forgiven, for only YOU can accept God's gift -- He cannot force it upon you.

Like I said, these are my opinions, after studying various Scripture passages. Remember, after all is said and done, God knows your heart.

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Posted 09 June 2005 - 11:33 PM

Cannibalism, human sacrifice (remember Abraham and his son) and last but not least incest.

Do any of these and facing God is the last thing you will want to do.

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Posted 09 June 2005 - 11:46 PM

101, thank you for that interesting read.  original.gif  

in case you dont know them, here's an article about the seven deadly sins  The Seven Deadly Sins- will make you think!


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Posted 10 June 2005 - 08:24 AM

That site implies God does not want you to enjoy life. That is not true, and technically, those '7 deadly sins' don't really exist. Overblown maybe, but ALL the RULES were outlined in Exodus, and the 10 MAJOR sins became the 10 commandments (thre ware 613, Juadaism still follows these rules), and even Jesus recited that as what to follow.

They ARE the rules any other 'rules' used to improve the general depravement of society is great, when it's needed, but don't pass them off as die hard rules. If they were, it would be CLEARLY stated that 'these ARE the 7 deadly sins'. The Bible/Torah is very straightforward, it's either there, or it's not.

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Posted 10 June 2005 - 09:06 AM

Thank you everybody for the posts. original.gif

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