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#16    TaintedDoughnuts

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Posted 10 June 2005 - 07:10 PM

Ashley-Star*Child, thank you for clearing that up for me.  i thought i was sinning because im fat  grin2.gif


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Posted 10 June 2005 - 10:02 PM

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The Bible/Torah is very straightforward, it's either there, or it's not.


now that is the "mother of them all"!

no sins... well i agree there are no sins, but for obvious reasons (if you read my posts).



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Posted 10 June 2005 - 10:12 PM

There is no such thing as sin, and definately no such thing as an unforgivable sin, here is a lil explanation of why.

This excerpt also comes from the Conversations with God Book 1


But if there is no hell, does that mean I can do what I want, act as I wish, commit any act, without fear of retribution?

Is it fear that you need in order to be, do, and have what is intrinsically right? Must you be threatened in order to "be good"? And what is "being good"? Who gets to have the final say about that? Who sets the guidelines? Who makes the rules?

I tell you this: You are your own rule-maker. You set the guidelines. And you decide how well you have done; how well you are doing. For you are the one who has decided Who and What You Really Are-and Who You Want to Be. And you are the only one who can assess how well you're doing. No one else will judge you ever, for why, and how, could God judge God's own creation and call it bad? If I wanted you to be and do everything perfectly, I would have left you in the state of totalperfection whence you came. The whole point of the process was for you to discover yourself, create your Self, as you truly are-and as you truly wish to be. Yet you could not be that unless you also had a choice to be something else.

Should I therefore punish you for making a choice that I Myself have laid before you? If I did not want you to make the second choice, why would I create other than the first? This is a question you must ask yourself before you would assign Me the role of a condemning God. The direct answer to your question is, yes, you may do as you wish without fear of retribution. It may serve you, however, to be aware of consequences. Consequences are results. Natural outcomes. These are not at all the same as retributions, or punishments. Outcomes are simply that. They are what results from the natural application of natural laws. They are that which occurs, quite predictably, as a consequence of what has occurred. All physical life functions in accordance with natural laws. Once you remember these laws, and apply them, you have mastered life at the physical level. What seems like punishment to you-or what you would call evil, or bad luck-is nothing more than a natural law asserting itself.  cool.gif

Edited by Venomshocker, 10 June 2005 - 10:14 PM.

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Posted 10 June 2005 - 10:16 PM

@venom... interesting.

i can follow that line of thought up until it goes into the nonsense about "natural laws".  no.gif


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Posted 10 June 2005 - 10:20 PM

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up until it goes into the nonsense about "natural laws".


What don't you understand? If you get cut you bleed. If you hurt someone, theyll probablly be mad at you. Natural laws are pretty self-explanatory. Its Cause and effect. wink2.gif

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Posted 10 June 2005 - 10:22 PM

but the effect can be the cause of its own effect.

things happen in nature out of habit, not out of law.


"He who knows not and knows not he knows not, he is a fool - shun him.
He who knows not and knows he knows not, he is simple - teach him.
He who knows and knows not he knows, he is asleep - awaken him.
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Posted 10 June 2005 - 10:23 PM

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things happen in nature out of habit, not out of law.


Things in Nature happen because of natural laws like the laws of physics.

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but the effect can be the cause of its own effect.


Now you lost me. Can you explain further please?

Edited by Venomshocker, 10 June 2005 - 10:25 PM.

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Posted 10 June 2005 - 10:31 PM

in the biological world, things happen becuase of habit, not law.

also, the "laws" of physics you speak of are not so rigid as to imply a definite result (without first imposing parameters)

on the effect being the cause of the effect: cyclical organisation.


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He who knows not and knows he knows not, he is simple - teach him.
He who knows and knows not he knows, he is asleep - awaken him.
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Posted 10 June 2005 - 10:41 PM

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in the biological world, things happen becuase of habit, not law.

also, the "laws" of physics you speak of are not so rigid as to imply a definite result (without first imposing parameters)

Haha, k, mayby law is to strong of a word. Principles or predictablities might fit there better. Yes I agree the laws of physics are not so rigid. wink2.gif

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on the effect being the cause of the effect: cyclical organisation.


Haha, k I get it now.  happy.gif

Edited by Venomshocker, 10 June 2005 - 10:42 PM.

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Posted 11 June 2005 - 12:50 PM

God isn't judgemental T.D., and that's another reason why passing these extra rules off, that keep being added as time goes on, is wrong.

Now, as for this book about 'Conversations with God' maybe you should read a few of MY posts. There IS a hell, 10 levels of it actually, but these '7 deadly sins' aren't going to send anyone there. It's the justice system of Heaven. Murderers, rapists, people this world would give life sentences to go to hell. BUT, hell isn't, at this point in time, eternal. It's transitional.

There is also Sheol. In order for a person to be reincarnated, if they've gone to any of the levels of hell, they must work their way up to at least Sheol, and serve the time of their sentence before returning or actually going to Heaven. Most people end up in Sheol. There is a time limut for the sentences of each sin, and that, like our justioce system, decides how long a person goes to hell. Before Jesus no human bar prophets, from Adam and Eve onwards went to Heaven. Jesus changed that. Even fallen angels have time limits on their sentences and 'fall', the angels of Enoch were 'fallen' for 9 days. That's 9000 years in our time.

Edited by Ashley-Star*Child, 11 June 2005 - 12:55 PM.


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Posted 11 June 2005 - 01:32 PM

funny it is how man wrote the laws of the afterlife to mimic the his laws of this life.   laugh.gif


"He who knows not and knows not he knows not, he is a fool - shun him.
He who knows not and knows he knows not, he is simple - teach him.
He who knows and knows not he knows, he is asleep - awaken him.
He who knows and knows that he knows, he is wise - follow him. "
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Posted 13 June 2005 - 05:58 AM

Funny how people make assumptions on what was written and why.


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Posted 13 June 2005 - 06:01 AM

QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Jun 12 2005, 09:58 PM)
Funny how people make assumptions on what was written and why.

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or for that fact how they will, dare i say mindlessly, cling to said writings.


"He who knows not and knows not he knows not, he is a fool - shun him.
He who knows not and knows he knows not, he is simple - teach him.
He who knows and knows not he knows, he is asleep - awaken him.
He who knows and knows that he knows, he is wise - follow him. "
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Posted 13 June 2005 - 06:09 AM

QUOTE(hyperactive @ Jun 13 2005, 02:01 AM)
QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Jun 12 2005, 09:58 PM)
Funny how people make assumptions on what was written and why.

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or for that fact how they will, dare i say mindlessly, cling to said writings.

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Actually, they are called interpretations of the written word. thumbsup.gif


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Posted 15 June 2005 - 07:05 AM

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Now, on the Blasphemy issue...this means that if you have seen the Truth, as was the case with the Pharisees witnessing Jesus' miracle, and you suppress it, ignore it, or otherwise deny it, then obviously you are wilfully staying in the "dark", as it were. It follows then that you cannot be forgiven, for only YOU can accept God's gift -- He cannot force it upon you.


I agree totally.


I have a question. Where in the bible does it speak of this "Holy Trinity"?

Doesnt the bible speak of the earth never being destroyed? And didnt God create Adam and Eve to live on Earth forever(not heaven). And doesnt the our father prayer say "Thy Kingdom Come, on Earth as it is in heaven". I beleive that only 144,000 people(chosen ones) will inherit Heaven, and the rest worthy of a resurrection will inherit Earth. If everyone were to inherit heaven and others hell, Earth will just be abandoned?

Edited by ZeroShadow, 15 June 2005 - 07:11 AM.

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