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Bohemian Grove according to wikipedia-inyteresting !

http://en.wikipedia..../Bohemian_Grove

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The people look really kind

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momentarylapseofreason on Sep 22 2007, 12:14 AM, said:

The people look really kind

ppptttttttttt

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The Club's patron saint is John of Nepomuk, who legend says suffered death at the hands of a Bohemian monarch rather than disclose the confessional secrets of the queen. A large wood carving of St. John in cleric robes with his index finger over his lips stands at the shore of the lake in the Grove, symbolising the secrecy kept by the Grove's attendees throughout its long history.

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500 pictures of the bohemian grove & skull and bones go to http://photobucket.com/sanderbulten2

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[jozsef]

I think the Bohemian Grove motto "Weaving spiders come not here" is a reference to Sumerian goddess Uttu, aka the "goddess of weaving" who was illustrated as a spider in a web.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uttu

The owl statue can be connoted with Lilith, another Sumerian female figure that was symbolized by Owls, Serpents, and Lions. Lilith also appears as a Screech Owl in the King James bible.

http://en.wikipedia....amian_mythology

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Interesting, but isn't People magazine a "scam"?

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sanderb2008 on Nov 4 2008, 07:22 AM, said:

500 pictures of the bohemian grove & skull and bones go to http://photobucket.com/sanderbulten2

Awesome. Thanks for the pics

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jozsef on Nov 10 2008, 08:16 PM, said:

I think the Bohemian Grove motto "Weaving spiders come not here" is a reference to Sumerian goddess Uttu, aka the "goddess of weaving" who was illustrated as a spider in a web.

It’s a direct reference to a line from Shakespeare’s A Mid-Summer Night's Dream. I don’t think that makes Shakespeare a closet Uttu worshipper, does it?

jozsef on Nov 10 2008, 08:16 PM, said:

The owl statue can be connoted with Lilith, another Sumerian female figure that was symbolized by Owls, Serpents, and Lions. Lilith also appears as a Screech Owl in the King James bible.

But even the wikipedia article you mention shows that scholars no longer believe that the Burney Relief has any connection to Lilith, so that cuts her connetion with any ancient lion symbolism. I've seen pretty much every ancient, Medieval and modern depiction of Lilitu/Lilith around, and none of them represent her as an owl. The Sumerian representation of Lilitu/Lilith was as a woman with long wild hair, sometimes bound in chains. Her medieval representation was that of a snake with a woman's head, usually hanging out in the garden of eden. In more modern times, she has been depicted simply as a woman, sometimes shown with a snake, sometimes not. But she has never been depicted as an owl in any Sumerian artwork that I know of. Her only connection to owls is the King James version of Isaiah 34, which the article says is without precedent.

Just some food for thought.

NumberOneSon

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NumberOneSon on Nov 12 2008, 05:36 AM, said:

It’s a direct reference to a line from Shakespeare’s A Mid-Summer Night's Dream. I don’t think that makes Shakespeare a closet Uttu worshipper, does it?

Yeah I know it's a line from Shakespeare. You have to admit that the resemblance of "Weaving spiders come not here" to the Weaving Spider goddess Uttu is pretty uncanny. I think this Bohemian Order is old enough that Shakespeare was probably a subscriber. I think the Bohemians are just the latest form of what is some sort of ongoing neo-Sumerian "culture".

From my readings on Uttu's role in the Sumerian mythology, "weaving spiders come not here" likely does not in fact mean no serious business to be conducted here, but rather likely means no women allowed. Uttu's role in Sumerian mythology was that she was somewhat of a party pooper, Enki was going around having his way with all kinds of women and Uttu was the first one to sort of stand up to him. Uttu in many ways represents the empowered woman of today. The Bohemian Club has a longstanding history of sexism, they are very strict about having no female members and have been taken to court previously to try to force them to take on female employees.

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But even the wikipedia article you mention shows that scholars no longer believe that the Burney Relief has any connection to Lilith, so that cuts her connetion with any ancient lion symbolism. I've seen pretty much every ancient, Medieval and modern depiction of Lilitu/Lilith around, and none of them represent her as an owl. The Sumerian representation of Lilitu/Lilith was as a woman with long wild hair, sometimes bound in chains. Her medieval representation was that of a snake with a woman's head, usually hanging out in the garden of eden. In more modern times, she has been depicted simply as a woman, sometimes shown with a snake, sometimes not. But she has never been depicted as an owl in any Sumerian artwork that I know of. Her only connection to owls is the King James version of Isaiah 34, which the article says is without precedent.

As far as i'm concerned Lilith is similar to Satan in that she pops up multiple times throughout the recordings of history in different forms and under different names. I'm definitely willing to say that the Bohemian owl represents Inanna or Ereshkigal, which I believe Lilith is simply an alias name for to begin with anyways. Considering the closeness of the Bohemian weaving spiders motto to the Sumerian goddess Uttu, and the fact that the Bohemian's worship a giant owl, and the Burney relief believed to be depicting Inanna/Ereshkigal contains owls, I believe the Sumerian connection is pretty heavy.

Thank you for replying though, I was hoping someone would discuss this with me.

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I gotta admit, when i first heard of Bohemian Groove Grove years back, for a bit there i thought it was gonna be some kinda new or extended version of the Queen hit.