[Gmac1000]

Being a witch.. I am the first to say that Pagans have been related to satanism,other religions have wanted to seem that way for a very long time, but consider that satan was created by the Catholic church and pagans have been around allot longer, it is only common sense that they are not related other than fabricated stories by other religions...
Truth be told a real true witch is the exact opposite to satanic beliefs they are at true harmony with nature and life for that matter big or small important or non-and the fact that it is clear that the leaders of Bohemian Grove have no care for any life but their own just goes to show that they couldn't really be practising pagan rituals, not true ones anyway.

[Gmac1000]

I did a post a while ago about David Icke and his wacky theories, and was bashed into the ground, even though I agreed he was a lunatic. I have read about "bohemian grove" and about George Bush and other world leaders doing child sacrifices, and have seen people openly debating it as a real possibility, and no one has really said much about its sillyness.

I have an open mind but come on please......

I would also like to kindly ask that you not connect child rape, and child sacrifice, and Satanism with Paganism please, as I have very strong pagan beliefs, it is insulting. Do you home work, Paganism has nothing to do with Satanism, Anton Le Vey invented Satanism in the 60s, Paganism is 1000s of years old and has nothing to do with Satan or "owl headed Gods". Pagans might have scarified people in the distant past, but they do not any more, just as Christians do not burn people at the stake anymore, well not in the west anyway.

Anyone heard of Bohemian Grove? This is a club that decides what will be in the headlines in the comming year. It's so secret, you as the average citezen are not supposed to know about it.

Its a good job we are not your average citizen then isn’t it? Phew!!!

All the best
Faeden

To answer the child sacrifice......
Your right Faeden it has nothing to do with pagan rituals but that would be the most shallow way for somone to discribe the Grove.
As you may or may not kno that the 30 foot stone owl that they worship is of course Moloch and Moloch is... "King". The sun god of the Canaanites (Ammonites?) in old Palestine and sometimes associated with the Sumerian Baal, although Moloch (or Molekh) was entirely malevolent. In the 8th-6th century BCE, firstborn children were sacrificed to him by the Israelites in the Valleye of Hinnom, south-east of Jerusalem (see also Gehenna). These sacrifices to the sun god were made to renew the strength of the sun fire. This ritual was probably borrowed from surrounding nations, and was also popular in ancient Carthage.

Moloch was represented as a huge bronze statue with the head of a bull. The statue was hollow, and inside there burned a fire which colored the Moloch a glowing red. Children were placed on the hands of the statue. Through an ingenious system the hands were raised to the mouth (as if Moloch were eating) and the children fell into the fire where they were consumed by the flames. The people gathered before the Moloch were dancing on the sounds of flutes and tambourines to drown out the screams of the victims.

According to some sources, the Moloch in the Old Testament is not a god, but a specific form of sacrifice.





The officials at the Grove say that the sacrifices that take place there are "Mock" so why even have them.

[scoobysnack]

The author of the book, Them: Adventures With Extremists used to make fun of "conspiracy theorists" because he didn't know anything about them, so he decided to learn, and now he's exposing the establishment for what it is with his new book The Men Who Stare at Goats. This is no joke!

Mainstream Book Highlights Occult Practices of US Establishment

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones | September 4 2005

A new book by an author that had previously scoffed at claims that the US establishment was involved in bizarre occult practices at Bohemian Grove has now released a bestselling book that relates how those same practices evolved over three decades and are still being used today.

Jon Ronson will be known to many readers of this website as the filmmaker who documented Alex Jones' infiltration of Bohemian Grove in July 2000. The program was part of a series called Secret Rulers of the World which aired first in the UK and then multiple times in the US on the Trio Network.

cont...http://www.prisonpla...khighlights.htm

[scoobysnack]

The great thing about investigating Bohemian Grove is that it is all true and is stranger then any book you could write or movie you would see.

Kay Griggs is the former wife of Colonel George Griggs who was a Marine Corps Chief of Staff, as well as head of NATO's Psychological Operations. Her husband was also, she realized, entirely mind-controlled. Kay, a self-declared Christian, became privy to the real workings of the United States military, leadership training, drug-running and weapons sales, and the secret worldwide camps that train professional assassins.

Kay Griggs talking about Germans who came over to America after WWII, infiltrated into the military, and positions of power and took with them the most perverted aspects of Nazi Germany using weird homosexual mind control acts. They nurture/cultivate--the sons of prominent families called "rising stars." and then "turn" them. Put them in positions of power and use blackmail to influence and corrupt them. Bohemian Grove is one place among many where they do these things. No wonder they like to keep it secret!

http://www.kaygriggstalks.com/

I transcribed part of the interview between Pastor Rick Strawcutter and Kay Griggs:

Kay Griggs: What they were doing was pedophilia, they were raping, bringing in little boys, they involved the catholic priests, you know, who were bringing in. Anyway, so um, but what happened was ,this whole group came over to the United States, and they um, it's an old culture, but it is the reason there's a lot of things going on with children these days. And it explains why it is all being covered up because if you've got police officers who are playing these games, and there going in the woods, like to uh. what is this place where they, I mean even Eisenhower played these games even Mike Kemp out in um, it's called the hermitage, in California where they all get drunk ,run around nude in the woods and stuff.

Pastor Rick Strawcutter: Bohemian grove kinda of thing?

Kay Griggs: That's it, Bohemian Grove.

Pastor Rick Strawcutter: Rather than the hermitage, it's the Bohemian Grove?

Kay Griggs: Bohemian Grove, that's the name of it, my brains tired. (laughs)

Pastor Rick Strawcutter: That's OK

Kay Griggs: And the one, in uh there was a big one in Washington called Rush River lodge, where they used to all go, and there are lots of places now. But the problem as I see it is that I think they are trying to destroy America.

Download to watch the whole two hour video interview

Part 1 - http://www.erichufsc...iggs_part_1.wmv
Part 2 - http://www.erichufsc...iggs_part_2.wmv

or there's this:
http://cortez.gnn.tv...Ops_Underground

http://www.hugequestions.com/

And, so those who dare, may know truth here is huge library of must watch videos. You will never see the world in the same way again. That's a promise!

http://www.supportthetruth.com/

[SoLLiZ]

this first image was dated 1909--considering the racial inequity of the time its clear that the black man probably met a grim fate--

and this is likely not an act nor an effigy

something about the "lynching" photo just doesn't add up to me. first, it looks like the body being hung has no hands, maybe i just don't see them, i dont know. second, maybe it's the wide brimmed hat, but the head looks kind of small to me.

[SoLLiZ]

also, the head shouldn't hang down like that on a normal body. look at the gallows. the body was pulled up, chocking the person. he wasn't dropped like you see in the movies where the neck can be broken. his head should be upright, not hanging down like a wet noodle.

and on the topic of racism in this time period that was mentioned, does that look like a native american near the head of the blackman, directly to the left.

also, why put a hat on him before hanging him?

[plumkrazy]

also, the head shouldn't hang down like that on a normal body. look at the gallows. the body was pulled up, chocking the person. he wasn't dropped like you see in the movies where the neck can be broken. his head should be upright, not hanging down like a wet noodle.

and on the topic of racism in this time period that was mentioned, does that look like a native american near the head of the blackman, directly to the left.

also, why put a hat on him before hanging him?

How do you know his head is not upright? The hat might not be on his head but over his face.

Native American?

[SoLLiZ]

still, that doesn't explain why he has no hands, or why his feet are sticking out instead of pointing down, which would be instinct. i think the picture is not an actually lynching

[plumkrazy]

To me it looks like he has a right hand, but the left hand is not there, which is very interesting. And it also looks like he is wearing cowboy boots or something which could possibly explain why his feet are not pointed down from dead weight.

[SoLLiZ]

even in boots, his feet should have more of a downward angle, it's just instinct taking over to find ground to support yourself. i still don't see the right hand. who knows, maybe the picture is real, i just don't think it is.

[The Skeptic Eric Raven]

The great thing about investigating Bohemian Grove is that it is all true and is stranger then any book you could write or movie you would see. 

Kay Griggs is the former wife of Colonel George Griggs who was a Marine Corps Chief of Staff, as well as head of NATO's Psychological Operations. Her husband was also, she  realized, entirely mind-controlled. Kay, a self-declared Christian, became privy to the real workings of the United States military, leadership training, drug-running and weapons sales, and the secret worldwide camps that train professional assassins.

Kay Griggs talking about Germans who came over to America after WWII, infiltrated into the military, and positions of power and took with them the most perverted aspects of Nazi Germany  using weird homosexual mind control acts. They nurture/cultivate--the sons of prominent families called "rising stars." and then "turn" them.  Put them in positions of power and use blackmail to influence and corrupt them.  Bohemian Grove is one place among many where they do these things.  No wonder they like to keep it secret!

http://www.kaygriggstalks.com/

I transcribed part of the interview between Pastor Rick Strawcutter and Kay Griggs:

Kay Griggs:  What they were doing was pedophilia, they were raping, bringing in little boys, they involved the catholic priests, you know, who were bringing in.  Anyway, so um, but what happened was ,this whole group came over to the United States, and they um, it's an old culture, but it is the reason there's a lot of things going on with children these days.  And it explains why it is all being covered up because if you've got police officers who are playing these games, and there going in the woods, like to uh. what is this place where they, I mean even Eisenhower played these games even Mike Kemp out in um, it's called the hermitage,  in California where they all get drunk ,run around nude in the woods and stuff.

Pastor Rick Strawcutter:  Bohemian grove kinda of thing?

Kay Griggs:  That's it, Bohemian Grove.

Pastor Rick Strawcutter:  Rather than the hermitage, it's the Bohemian Grove?

Kay Griggs:  Bohemian Grove, that's the name of it, my brains tired. (laughs)

Pastor Rick Strawcutter:  That's OK

Kay Griggs:  And the one, in uh there was a big one in Washington called Rush River lodge, where they used to all go, and there are lots of places now.  But the problem as I see it is that I think they are trying to destroy America.

Download to watch the whole two hour video interview

Part 1 - http://www.erichufsc...iggs_part_1.wmv
Part 2 - http://www.erichufsc...iggs_part_2.wmv

or there's this:
http://cortez.gnn.tv...Ops_Underground

http://www.hugequestions.com/

And, so those who dare, may know truth here is huge library of must watch videos.  You will never see the world in the same way again.  That's a promise!

http://www.supportthetruth.com/

This woman is a nut. She sounds schizophrenic to me. I should know, because my mother is. She makes no sense at all. This is just a woman that has lost her mind and some conspiracy theroist choose to believe. She is not credible in the least. In fact, I can't believe anyone would put this woman up as credible. If your basing your belief on people like this , then perhaps you need some help too. Her mannerisms are clearly schizophrenic. It is pitiful.

This post has been edited by ericraven2003: 17 September 2005 - 04:00 PM

[Sunofone]

  who knows, maybe the picture is real, i just don't think it is.

those pics came from the grove's own annals

[babayagafamiliar]

Mock human sacrifice DOES happen in the Bohemian Grove. That is NOT debatable. It's been caught on tape, it's been printed in the annals of the Grove, Alex Jones documents it every year, it's simply non-debatable. The issue at stake is if this a group of big wigs blowing off steam every year in a frat boy club OR a bunch of cultists doing a sinister initiation ritual for their new members. Either way, the creamation of Pyre ritual happens every year whether you like it or not. I honestly believe Alex Jones blew this way out of proportions- this is frat boy idiocy at best, not some sinister Uber conspiracy to take over the world. Still it's disconcerting.

[Sunofone]

this is frat boy idiocy at best, not some sinister Uber conspiracy to take over the world. Still it's disconcerting.

right and we're "really" a sovereign a country --you need to read this thread--especially the books mentioned within them--ill make it easy for you and include direct links--
NWO thread
Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry
The Age of Reason by thomas Paine

[SoLLiZ]

  who knows, maybe the picture is real, i just don't think it is.

those pics came from the grove's own annals

that doesn't mean it is a pic of a real lynching. i still think it is a dummy