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#31    Blackleaf

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Posted 17 July 2005 - 03:41 PM

QUOTE(warden @ Jul 15 2005, 01:59 PM)
I think someone must have wrote this for the poor man,cause it makes sense tongue.gif

Back to being serious,many people have been saying this for years behind closed doors ,to scared to open up in public incase the PC brigade crucify them with the usuall (racist) jibe.

I have always said what needs to be said ,and many times have been in trouble for it,my answer to it was so what ,i am only saying what millions are talking about but are to frightened to say,have a backbone and open your mouths.

Boris talks about being proud to being british,its weird to hear many people calling themselfs pakistani,indian,romanian etc while being born hear before calling themselfs british,that i dont get ,is it what they are being taught in the youth clubs,home mosks i wonder

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As a Scotsman, are you pro-British or do you want Scotland independent from Britain?

I'm half-Scottish.  My Scottish grandfather, who was a sergeant-major in the Army in the 1950's and 1960's, hates the English (except his English family, of course!) but wants Scotland to remain in the UK.  He doesn't want an independent Scotland.

However, his brother, always votes SNP at elections and my granddad doesn't like him doing that.

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Posted 17 July 2005 - 03:44 PM

Oh for god's sake, why does everyone always have to friggin' hate each other just because of what country they live in? I'm sooo darn tired of it ..........

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Posted 17 July 2005 - 03:44 PM

We don't need more nationalism. It is already a problem.

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Posted 17 July 2005 - 03:44 PM

british and proud of it thumbsup.gif God save the queen cool.gif




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Posted 17 July 2005 - 07:52 PM

I think this topic is fascinating, yet incredibly complex.  For those who aren’t British I don’t think they appreciate how divided the UK still is in part.  There seems to be increasingly less emphasis on individual national identity from a global perspective.  

I guess it begs the question can the Union work whereby ALL countries feel they are gaining something.  Scotland has had it rough in the past, but does that mean that we can’t reform the system to learn from past mistakes.  Over the past decade there have been some major constitutional reforms.  Most significantly there has been devolution favouring subsidiarity, bringing power closer to the people it governs, which I don’t think many people will argue with; but I still think there is more to do to satisfy all countries of the Union.  

While I think that the general consensus among Scots is that they’ve been the unwilling partner in this Union in the past, (with good reason to feel that) does that mean that they’d not be willing to try and reform it to better suit them for years to come?  We can’t change past events but we can shape our future.


I think the reason this re-Britannification of Britain won’t work is because while we might respect the UK as a political entity, I think that the majority of people will pledge their allegiance to their individual country rather than to a ‘Union’ in most cases. After all what is Britishness?  It’s a very tough question to answer.  hmm.gif I agree with Boris that we should encourage certain ‘British’ values’, but how can we begin to identify such values when we are such a diverse entity?  It will be no easy feat.

I believe that cultural diversity is a must.  To conform to any overly rigid ‘British standard’ would be to undermine our richly diverse society of which we should be proud of.

Interesting article.  thumbsup.gif



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Posted 17 July 2005 - 08:08 PM

I noticed that we all became british the day of the london bombings,we all came together as one and thats how it should stay,suporting each other throw thick and thin


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Posted 17 July 2005 - 08:15 PM

It would be wonderful if everyone thought of themselves as humans and forget about man made boundaries.


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Posted 17 July 2005 - 08:19 PM

QUOTE(Michelle @ Jul 17 2005, 08:15 PM)
It would be wonderful if everyone thought of themselves as humans and forget about man made boundaries.

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Correct thumbsup.gif some people say we are all equall as human beings on this board and then want to divide britain up into 4 parts because of invisible lines drawn up centuries ago

We have been a strong nation as the UK for many moons ,long may it last


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Posted 17 July 2005 - 08:22 PM

I hope the Union last's as there will be only about 60 SAS men left lol

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Posted 17 July 2005 - 08:27 PM

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I hope the Union last's as there will be only about 60 SAS men left lol

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 04:16 PM

great post tommy.

i actually cant decide what i want.

i see the benefits of being british and im a proud proud briton , howeverim far more patriotic about my scottish and even irish roots.

as tommy said i would rather pledge allegiance to my home nation , whith which i am culturally and racially linked to. i have much more in common with my fellow scots and irish , than the english , thats not to say i dont like the english far from it.

i just beleive that our cultures are completley different, just look at the general election , scotland, ireland and wales are socialistic nations and the english vote with a more right wing leaning. and no i dont mean nazism or anything stupid like that.


however i see nothing so far in the SNP or any other party especiallyt the SSP (whom i hate with every bone in my body, more than the tories) to suggest that scotland would bemefit much from independance.

im a realistic person. like tommy i think whats the point, yes we suffered in the past , but the past is the past. why not work together , make britain even better than the relative utopia it is compared to other many many countries around the world.


i think british values are evident to a certain degree , however i would argue that there are massive cultural differences between the home nations.

i still dont know if that is a good thing or a bad thing with regards to the union.

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Posted 23 July 2005 - 06:41 PM

Wun, thanks for your post.

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i think whats the point, yes we suffered in the past , but the past is the past. why not work together , make britain even better than the relative utopia it is compared to other many many countries around the world.


I think the UK is such a unique place because of the inherent cultural diversity with our 4 countries bound together.  Yes, we could all split up and become independent, but I’m not sure how this will help in any way,  I just think it would be more detrimental than not.  I’d like to think that independence would only happen as a last resort if nothing good can come of this Union.  

There would also be international factors to take into account if we were all to split up, like the ties to Commonwealth Countries who are proud to keep their relations with us.  Countries within the Commonwealth Realm still recognize the Queen as their Head of State, I wonder if this would still be the case if there was no UK.  

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however i see nothing so far in the SNP or any other party especiallyt the SSP (whom i hate with every bone in my body, more than the tories) to suggest that scotland would bemefit much from independance.


As for Scotland, I honestly don’t know if it would ‘benefit’ from becoming independent.  All we have really found out is that it probably is economically viable for Scotland to become independent should it feel the need to.  If that were the case would she possibly seek to integrate further with Europe as they share a similar left wing ideology. (although I think Blair will be trying to change Europe’s left wing stance very soon)   Would Scotland perhaps even join the Euro?

It’s interesting to speculate about the possibilities, but I would personally like to see us stay as the United Kingdom.  thumbsup.gif

*ok who knows the words to 'Rule Britannia'?!  happy.gif  


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Posted 28 July 2005 - 08:48 PM

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 08:58 PM

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 09:18 PM

As for Scotland, I honestly don’t know if it would ‘benefit’ from becoming independent. All we have really found out is that it probably is economically viable for Scotland to become independent should it feel the need to. If that were the case would she possibly seek to integrate further with Europe as they share a similar left wing ideology. (although I think Blair will be trying to change Europe’s left wing stance very soon) Would Scotland perhaps even join the Euro?

Strange....that's what I was thinking when I had that conversation with Talon. My theory was that Scotland would join the EU, while England( or the rest of Britain for that matter) would lean more towards America.

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