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[sparticuss]

I've recently heard a  very interesting  urban  legend aboout the  Appollo project.  
For those  not  aware of   it  the  official   record  states that   Russia  actually  launched a  large unmanned soft  landing  probe  at the   moon four  days    before Appollo   blasted  off.   This  probe   lost control  and   crashed  into the moon too hard  to survice.
Thats  the official  record.

The   urban legend is that  this  probe  in   fact  contained  a  single   cosmonault.  Russia wanted  to  beat  the  US  to the moon  and  launched  this  Lunig  probe untested,  and at  great  risk.   They  planned  to announce  that they   had beaten the   USA  to the  moon  by two  days only when  they  had safely recovered  therir    cosomaunault.   Untill then the     unmanned probe sory  was  a   cover up.  When the  risk  didn't  pay off  the  cover up   became the official   version.

Has  anybody  else  heard  this one.?????

[Rhomphaia]

I have heard that Russia landed on the moon first, but that the US was the first to return men back to Earth as well.
Also, has anyone here heard the story about how Russia was the first country to send a man to the sun?

[Mr Slayer]

I have heard that Russia landed on the moon first, but that the US was the first to return men back to Earth as well.
Also, has anyone here heard the story about how Russia was the first country to send a man to the sun?

That was unnecessarily cynical.

Personally, I doubt we ever got to the moon. It's a political scam that people swallowed deeply back in the sixties.

[Rhomphaia]

I was serious about the sun comment.
I have heard reports of all kinds of accidents in space with the Russians, one of which during an orbit of the moon, there were miscalculations for the return trajectory of the cosmonaut's capsule and the course sent him to the sun.

[Mr Ed]

Oh, I thought it was a joke. It was funny.

Russia was the first nation to send a man to orbit the moon.
I think.

[Rhomphaia]

Yes they were. They were first in just about everything except bring a man back from the moon safely.

[Mr Ed]

And put a man there.

[The Russian Hare]

Apollo 8 was the first manned mission to orbit the moon. The Soviets were the first to land a probe on the moon, though.

[PadawanOsswe]

I have heard that Russia landed on the moon first, but that the US was the first to return men back to Earth as well.
Also, has anyone here heard the story about how Russia was the first country to send a man to the sun?

That was unnecessarily cynical.

Personally, I doubt we ever got to the moon. It's a political scam that people swallowed deeply back in the sixties.

it wasnt neccessarily a political scam. the technology was and is good enough to land on the moon.

[kill_them_all533]

Personally, I doubt we ever got to the moon. It's a political scam that people swallowed deeply back in the sixties.

WTF??!!?
what gave you that impression? who actually doesent believe no one set foot on the moon? who and where are they?

[Grimm24]

I actually didnt know they did get to the moon first

[Apcpro]

There is no "official" evidence to support a Russian landing on the moon with a person aboard.  Considering the huge amount of progress that has been made in the last ten to twenty years in the field of Russian Space History, we'd probably know about it by now.

Having said that, it would not surprise me to find out they send someone on a one way mission to the moon.  But we have not found anything to support the notion.

There is ample evidence that the US went there.  Just look up the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter images.

http://www.nasa.gov/...ollo-sites.html

There ya' go.

[Randomactsofviolence]

Rhomphaia, on 17 July 2005 - 01:02 PM, said:

I have heard that Russia landed on the moon first, but that the US was the first to return men back to Earth as well.
Also, has anyone here heard the story about how Russia was the first country to send a man to the sun?

I found this online. The Soviet Union (a federation that included Russia) placed the first satellite in space: Sputnik in October 1957. They also had the first Man in Space (Gagarin), the first woman in space, the first probe to photograph the far side of the Moon (and to enter an orbit around the Sun), the first soft lander on the Moon (but without people on board), and so on. They have known quite a bit about space for a long time now. They did that by applying known scientific principles (for example, it had been known for centuries before that, that air pressure decreases as one went up mountains and, later, in balloons. Therefore, everyone expected space to be a vacuum, well before anyone went to check. Sputnik was an experiment to see if: 1) things could be placed in orbit around Earth if they were given enough speed (this had been predicted by equations, but no one had tested it with a man-made object yet) 2) man-made objects would be destroyed by meteoroids once they were above the Earth's atmosphere: Sputnik as a sphere that was filled with compressed gas and a pressure detector; if the pressure had dropped, the drop would have been detected and the radio signal (a simple beep-beep)

[Waspie_Dwarf]

sparticuss, on 17 July 2005 - 12:12 PM, said:

I've recently heard a  very interesting  urban  legend aboout the  Appollo project.  
For those  not  aware of   it  the  official   record  states that   Russia  actually  launched a  large unmanned soft  landing  probe  at the   moon four  days    before Appollo   blasted  off.   This  probe   lost control  and   crashed  into the moon too hard  to survice.
Thats  the official  record.

The   urban legend is that  this  probe  in   fact  contained  a  single   cosmonault.  Russia wanted  to  beat  the  US  to the moon  and  launched  this  Lunig  probe untested,  and at  great  risk.   They  planned  to announce  that they   had beaten the   USA  to the  moon  by two  days only when  they  had safely recovered  therir    cosomaunault.   Untill then the     unmanned probe sory  was  a   cover up.  When the  risk  didn't  pay off  the  cover up   became the official   version.

Has  anybody  else  heard  this one.?????

In July 1969 the USSR was simply not in a position to attempt a manned landing. Their equivalent of the Saturn V, had failed on its first two launch attempts on 21st Feb '69 & 3rd July '69. The second launch attempt resulted in the vehicle exploding 12 seconds after lift off. The explosion is said to be the largest man-made non-nuclear explosion in history. It took 18 months to repair the damage to the launch complex. 2 more N1 launch attempts were made, in 1971 & '72. These also failed and the USSR abandoned its attempts to make a manned landing on the moon.

Rhomphaia, on 17 July 2005 - 03:53 PM, said:

I was serious about the sun comment.
I have heard reports of all kinds of accidents in space with the Russians, one of which during an orbit of the moon, there were miscalculations for the return trajectory of the cosmonaut's capsule and the course sent him to the sun.

This is simply not possible. It requires a huge amount of energy to launch an object towards the sun, far more than a mis-firing moon mission would be capable of.

Mr Slayer, on 17 July 2005 - 03:11 PM, said:

Personally, I doubt we ever got to the moon. It's a political scam that people swallowed deeply back in the sixties.

I won't bother making much of a comment on this, except to say that this nonsense is being ripped apart in the conspiracies section.

[Timonthy]

Rhomphaia, on 17 July 2005 - 01:02 PM, said:

I have heard that Russia landed on the moon first, but that the US was the first to return men back to Earth as well.
Also, has anyone here heard the story about how Russia was the first country to send a man to the sun?

Considering that the sun is on average about 400 times further from the moon than earth is, he would have never made it alive at least.

Edit: Unless they packed ~3 years of supplies...

Edited by Timonthy, 12 June 2012 - 09:27 AM.