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#16    bacca

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Posted 20 July 2005 - 02:02 PM

I'd disagree ashley don't do that god/church thing to much make believe fairy tale stuff that'll just get you a good tan after your dead grin2.gif

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Posted 20 July 2005 - 07:11 PM

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I regret that I have been involved with magic and 'the Circle' before, taking the element of 'fire'. I've talked briefly about the after effects on here a few times. Here's some advice from someone who has been there. Don't do it..

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Do it if you wish to... nothing harm nothing foul.  Having been involved with magics (albeit not spell casting but there are other forms) for over 20 years and have lived a rather normal (aaaaaahaha) life...

It's all in how the magics are used.  As I was reminded yesterday... Karam will catch you.

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Posted 21 July 2005 - 12:06 AM

QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Jul 20 2005, 06:02 AM)
I regret that I have been involved with magic and 'the Circle' before, taking the element of 'fire'. I've talked briefly about the after effects on here a few times. Here's some advice from someone who has been there. Don't do it..

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Hahaha. Don't worry Ashley, I'm not planning on it, nor am I planning on going to church. I just like to study. Something I would worship or revere though, is nature. Why would anyone worship or revere nature? Because it's beatiful, it's powerful, it's almost perfectly balanced, it's our mother and father, and it's what sustains our lives. Because it is all of those, I challenge any to name a force greater.

Thank you for all your posts, and I hope to keep them coming, because I do wish to know more. [Too bad Druidus doesn't seem to be on often]. I was just wondering if anyone could share any experiences, or any knowledge, incase the opening post was confusing. Just an oddball thread that strays away from the norm in this section.

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Posted 21 July 2005 - 03:41 AM

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I didn't use it for malicious means, I took Karma into account, but for me even that in itself had cnsequences.

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Study is good, I myself study both sides, because without understanding you are a victim of your own fear. Nature was part of this 'Circle' and the calling up of a supposedly intermediary spirit (or angel) which wasn't so intermediary....


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Posted 21 July 2005 - 09:35 PM

From what I understand Druids are part of nature and everything about them is about nature and the trees.  For me, it makes sense..it fits.It's what I have always been.

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Posted 23 July 2005 - 06:21 PM

Paganism, Druids, The Craft are all faiths that require study. Not from one book or about one book, but from many disciplines; science, physics, metaphysics, ancient history, Myth, theology of all religions, and archaeology.  It is not for the faint of heart.  It is an experience religion.  I have learned as much or more from talking to the trees as I have from books.  When you embark on this Path you are in search of the true nature of the universe.  Magic is just a small part of it.  I only cast spells when people are in true need of help.  I do not take them lightly.  

I think Ashley; you fear what you don't understand.  To say 'don't do it' closes one off to a part of life that is filled with wonder and mystery.  
I have walked in the spirit world (or either world or alternate dimension) and found great joy and knowledge as well as things to fear.  You can learn to protect yourself harm.  

If you want to learn about Pagan religions in general I recommend "Drawing Down the Moon: Witches, Druids, Goddess-Worshippers, and Other Pagans in America Today" by Margot Adler.


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Posted 23 July 2005 - 07:07 PM

I believe in holistic remedies, organic farming and basically, natural Earth power.
When I 'pray', I pray to Mother Earth and ask that she be blessed and send her blessings back to those I love  wub.gif and all others to  wink2.gif
I follow the saying: Mother Earth leave everything a little better than you found it.
It is depressing that the 'current' world does not seem to appreciate Mother Earth, polluting her and destroying her. I don't want to be hypocritical either because sometimes I don't do all I should (yes, I eat at McDonalds, sometimes) and for this I pray that I will grow to do more (stop eating at McDonalds  happy.gif ). Simple things matter like taking time to notice butterflies or planting flowers and trees. Also, loving the things that appear ugly, like this strange yucky stuff that was left over from the Ash tree that the city removed because of disease (for all I care they could have left it in my yard  laugh.gif ). I also believe in speaking, clearly and poetically (not that everyone has to do this it is something I like to do, along with writing  wub.gif ).I always try to remember that all of my words vibrate into the ethers forever, somewhere.  A little thing I do when I say something I shouldn't have, I say cancel.
I have not studied to much in the areas you mention, it is something that comes naturally to me, along with Native American traditions  original.gif . The Earth has and will always be here, I pray. wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif
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Posted 23 July 2005 - 07:42 PM

Ashley, Just because the craft did not work for yourself, doesn’t mean others should not do it, if you go into anything with the wrong attitude it can bite you on the ass, you seem to have a more of a "Buffy the vampire slayer" attitude on the craft, than the nature worship side. Christianity doesn’t work for some people, and can have devastating effects on peoples lives, does that mean that people should not practice Christianity and dont do it! ? NO!!!

Magic is about thought, and of the power of the mind, and your minds connection to the spirit mind of god and goddess, and the nature of the spiritual universe. Your results will mirror what is in your heart and mind, you have to enter the craft with a pure heart and positive mind, otherwise problems can evolve. Craft work is about manifesting our thoughts and emotions into our every day lives, if your thoughts are negative then negative things will manifest.

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To Ride a Silver Broomstick is not the best book to read in my opinion, if you want to learn about the craft, as its more for teenagers, and fad seekers, than anything else, I am not personally a fan of Silver RavenWolf's books, it seems very media influenced, and not really in depth, aimed at those that love shows like charmed ect.

I would suggest books by Rae Beth, who really gets down to the nature worship side of it. Also Teresa Moorey, D.J Conway and Vivianne Crowley are all great and wise authors that I highly recommend.

Good luck in your learning.

Irish, you might be right to some extent about druid knowledge being lost due to what they where stored on, but much of what druids knew they pasted down through the generations through there memory, (hence why some would have to train for over 40 years to become a druid) such as with many other pagan types. Most of the documentation was burnt and destroyed when the later church tried to wipe out any knowledge or trace of the old religions.

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 01:43 AM

No no no Faeden, you quite miss the point. It DID work, that's the point, but in rather malevolant ways.


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Posted 24 July 2005 - 02:38 AM

I joined a druidic order many years ago.  It only last a few months before I felt very disillusioned.

I enjoyed back then the teachings, but like anything - people are corruptible.  

This group of people were always trying to prove who was the better druid.

Turned into bullshit for me.

Anyway - wild times!  

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 04:08 AM

First I'm going to thank Darkwind and Faeden for your informational and inspirational posts; and I know you two are some of the best people to ask based on your beliefs. Darkwind, If you don't mind, what did you mean when you have been to the spirit world?

Also, Faeden, I had no intentions of reading any material by the person you speak of [By what you say shes a Sylvia Brown] but I would like to know as many good books as possible. I've got plenty of free reading time.

QUOTE(Rachael @ Jul 23 2005, 10:38 PM)
I joined a druidic order many years ago.  It only last a few months before I felt very disillusioned.

I enjoyed back then the teachings, but like anything - people are corruptible. 

This group of people were always trying to prove who was the better druid.

Turned into bullshit for me.

Anyway - wild times! 

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I've never been part of many groups on ANY topic, but being arrogant enough to try and prove yourself better than another goes against about everything I know. Everyone is equal. The most physically powerful person in the world is equal to the most frail. Power doesn't matter to the realistic and true, only to the selfish.

Edited by The Raven, 24 July 2005 - 04:09 AM.

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 11:52 AM

If you wish to learn about druidism, it is not as "lost" as many would think.

Find a secluded place away from people and manmade things and just sit, sit and listen to nature. The willing will be taught, and if you are willing you will hear natures teachings.

Also do not confuse druidism with shamanism, shamanism is based more around the elements of nature than nature itself.

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 02:39 PM

QUOTE(Faeden @ Jul 23 2005, 03:42 PM)
To Ride a Silver Broomstick is not the best book to read in my opinion, if you want to learn about the craft, as its more for teenagers, and fad seekers, than anything else, I am not personally a fan of Silver RavenWolf's books, it seems very media influenced, and not really in depth, aimed at those that love shows like charmed ect.

I would suggest books by Rae Beth, who really gets down to the nature worship side of it. Also Teresa Moorey, D.J Conway and Vivianne Crowley are all great and wise authors that I highly recommend.

Good luck in your learning.

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Thank you Faeden.  That is exactly the impression I got from that book.  It was like "The Craft for Dummies" or something.  It was lent to me by a 30-something practitioner so I rather expected it to be more in depth and intellectual.  I will check out the authors you recommended.

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 05:07 PM

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No no no Faeden, you quite miss the point. It DID work, that's the point, but in rather malevolant ways.

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Ashley you seemed to have misunderstood what I was trying to say, so ill quote what I said. When I said worked for you, I meant why it did not work positively for you personally, based on your attitude if I remember rightly you believe that angels are war loving types, and that the spirit world is about war and conflict. Sorry if I am wrong.

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Ashley, Just because the craft did not work positively for yourself, doesn’t mean others should not do it, if you go into anything with the wrong attitude it can bite you on the ass, you seem to have a more of a "Buffy the vampire slayer" attitude on the craft, than the nature worship side. Christianity doesn’t work for some people, and can have devastating effects on peoples lives, does that mean that people should not practice Christianity and dont do it! ? NO!!!

Magic is about thought, and of the power of the mind, and your minds connection to the spirit mind of god and goddess, and the nature of the spiritual universe. Your results will mirror what is in your heart and mind, you have to enter the craft with a pure heart and positive mind, otherwise problems can evolve. Craft work is about manifesting our thoughts and emotions into our every day lives, if your thoughts are negative then negative things will manifest.


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Posted 25 July 2005 - 02:39 PM

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No no no Faeden, you quite miss the point. It DID work, that's the point, but in rather malevolant ways.



If you put out negativity you get back negativity: if you put out positive you get back positive.  


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Through meditation (no drugs needed) you can enter a different realm that over- lapse this one.  You can still see this one, but it looks very different.  You can also see beings that exist in the other realm.  You are really between worlds. What we call faeries, little people, demons, God/desses are all beings of this realm.  I haven't done it in a while as it is quite draining and with my illness, I end up in bed for a day after I do it.  When you do it you have to bare in mind there are either world beings don't like us for whatever the reason (maybe it is how we treat our Mother Earth) so you need to learn how to protect yourself.  There are also beings that want to use us for their own purposes, they are tricksters and you have to see through that.  Then there are the beings that want to help and teach us. They make it worth while.  It is not so much the destination, but the journey.


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