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#31    Rufio85

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Posted 25 July 2005 - 10:01 PM

darkwind, without meaning to pry too much, would you mind sharing what kind of illness you have and how going into the state you were talking about effects that illness please?

Also, you talk about meditation to get you into this other realm. Would you mind expanding on what you do in this meditation time and what kind of things you concentrate on. thanx.

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Posted 25 July 2005 - 11:06 PM

QUOTE(Darkwind @ Jul 23 2005, 02:21 PM)
Paganism, Druids, The Craft are all faiths that require study. Not from one book or about one book, but from many disciplines; science, physics, metaphysics, ancient history, Myth, theology of all religions, and archaeology.  It is not for the faint of heart.  It is an experience religion.  I have learned as much or more from talking to the trees as I have from books.  When you embark on this Path you are in search of the true nature of the universe. 

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I think that statement speaks to Christianity and all other religions as well.  How can one expect that one book holds all the information?  I consider myself Christian  because I believe that JC was the son of the God who paved the way for spirits/souls to continue on in a more open reincarnation loop.  I also believe in a Goddess (whom I identify as 'Mother Earth' and Sophia/Wisdom).  I believe in reincarnation and astral plains, natural healing, and the like.

People, no matter which religion they chose to practice, owe it to themselves to learn all they can about every spiritual path.  It's amazing how interconnected they really are if you go back far enough.

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 09:36 PM

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Ashley you seemed to have misunderstood what I was trying to say, so ill quote what I said. When I said worked for you, I meant why it did not work positively for you personally, based on your attitude if I remember rightly you believe that angels are war loving types, and that the spirit world is about war and conflict. Sorry if I am wrong.



I think you've taken it out of context. Now about angels, yes, there are angels that wage war, in all the history that has been written of them both good and bad have the ability to have 'wars'. That's not t say angels are malevolant (some may very well be), angels do help people, but I find there to be a little to much of a generalization of angels. They, like us, have personalities. Adam and Eve were created a 'second kind of angel' in which after temptation, bought themselves and all their offspring mortality. The only 'angels' who can die, repdroduce, marry, and have true free will, but it comes with a price.


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Posted 27 July 2005 - 10:27 PM

So, then Ashley, if Angels have personalities, names, jobs, and egos, what makes them different from us?

Are you suggesting that if Adam & Eve hadn't succumbed to temptation, we would be immortal and more akin to angels?

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 11:28 PM

Angels are different (Enoch account aside, as they wanted, and had what this 'second angel' did) in that like I said, they can't marry, reproduce, don't have free will i.e. unlike us where we have 'chances' if they refuse God's command, they will instantly be cast out, and punished. That punishment can last for a length of time. The angels of Enoch were bound for 7000 years to the Earth, and punished in their own angel 'hell' or prisonhouse as it's called on Pluto for 2000, equalling a whole 9 'days' (one 'day' equalling 1000 Earth years, just as the Creation itself was 7000 Earth years), after which, they must at the fnal judgement 'Heal the Earth they plagued and give life back to her (the Earth).' If there is any chance of redemption for them, that would be it. We have free will, in which when God made Adam and explained about free will and showed him the 'light and the dark' paths, that this test was to see 'Who among your race will love or abhor Me'. God gave this creation the ability to choose, to see what they would do. He didn't make the first kind of angels for this (free will). God having created Adam in His image (or the face specifically) asked all angels to worship this second one, but satanail refused saying 'Why should I, a son of fire, bnow down to a son of clay. I was created before him, he should worship me!' and the angels under his command all refused, he tried to ascend his thrown and was cast out. This was his agenda behind the whole 'tree of knowledge'. He is an accusing angel, able to test and tempt to test the limits of devotion. The tree was there as a test of free will, to see what they would do, and they were warned that the day they ate from it, they would surely die (and Adam did die in that 'day' being 70 years off 1000), and there mortality was born.

Another account later talks of Adam and Eve trying to repent by being in a river (earliest form of Baptism) and satanil, appearing as an 'angel of light' crying as th other angels did for them said to Eve 'come out of the water, all has been forgiven'. She got out, and Adam saw her asked why saw satanail etc, in which he asked 'Why do you hate us, what have we ever done to you?' I which he said, 'Oh no, it's because of you that I have lost my place among my bretherin, and or this I will be after you for all eternity. The enemity was of jealousy. Satanil was God's favourite and highest angel, gievn the highest power by God Himself. He being an accusing angel, can now tempt test and accuse man before God, and at one time, even his own kind, being jealous of even them.

The answer to the second question is yes. Death literally would never have touched man, we would be immortal.


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Posted 28 July 2005 - 03:35 AM

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The answer to the second question is yes. Death literally would never have touched man, we would be immortal.

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This is getting really off topic of "Druids, Magic, and Pagans," but what if man eventually achieves immortality by Science and Technology? Will it be some gift granted to us by perfection [Even if we can't die, we're not going to be perfect] or just something unexplainable?

In the mean time I'll try and think on the norse story of how we became mortal... tongue.gif

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 03:47 AM

I think a 'mock' immortality will be achieved in the future, but human 'immortality' has boundaries that true immortality does not, and that will never change.


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Posted 28 July 2005 - 04:10 AM

The author of "To Ride A Silver Broomstick" is also the same author of "How To Be A Teen Witch." The author, Silver Ravenwolf, in my humble opinion is giving serious Witches, Wiccans, and Pagans a bad name. She is what I call a "fluffer-nutter."


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Posted 28 July 2005 - 04:37 AM

only think I use books for is herbs and recipies now a days anyways.  I don't need instructions on being Pagan.

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 01:11 PM

QUOTE(SilverCougar @ Jul 28 2005, 12:37 AM)
only think I use books for is herbs and recipies no a days anyways.  I don't need instructions on being Pagan.

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Thats a really nice way to put it, and I never thought of it that way. I can't blame people for playing off of the beliefs in order to make $$ though, since things like "teen wicca" seem to be a fad these days.

Ashley, what do you see as the difference between Immortality and True Immortality?

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The author, Silver Ravenwolf, in my humble opinion is giving serious Witches, Wiccans, and Pagans a bad name. She is what I call a "fluffer-nutter."

Her being fluffer-nutter gives me a bad name too! Ravenwolf, pfft.

Edited by The Raven, 28 July 2005 - 01:13 PM.

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Posted 29 July 2005 - 10:41 AM

QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Jul 20 2005, 10:02 AM)
I regret that I have been involved with magic and 'the Circle' before, taking the element of 'fire'. I've talked briefly about the after effects on here a few times. Here's some advice from someone who has been there. Don't do it..

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well I done it to...but why should I regret? there is nothing to be ashamed on.
I say instead go out and try...look around and dont be afraid.
But if you want to do some magic (or whatever u want to do) do it with experienced people..dont do it alone.



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Posted 29 July 2005 - 11:05 AM

hmm wicca...I know many people who is involved in wicca.
There is lot of BS (bu11sh1t) out there but also lot of serious thing.
But first at all what's paganism? well already the word pagan has nothing to do with any kind of religion.
The word pagan is what the italian word paesano (or paisan in dialect) is and it mean peasant (paese=village). That's because back in the roman empire must of the cristians were living in the cities and the followers of the ancient religion for the must in villages. The word pagan it's a insult by cristians to other groups...sad but true.

There never was a pagan religion, but lot of different religions, just like today. Only a ignorant after all will mix hareKrishnas with jews and jehovas withness.
The must withspread was teh "Pvblica religio" witch we still to day see the pattern in both politicians and clericals. Then there was the cult of the ancestors, every village had one or more shamans, every temple has at least a indovin (a guy who predict the future thanx to the sign of animals or by the blod of sacrificing animals) by lakes and caverns it was not rare to find oracles (also known as Sibillas...women who could see in the future) and Carnas (singing female shamns).
Then there was the foreign religions like the egyptians famous Isis, Osiris and Horus (witch many expert see it today in the cattolic madonna) , the Mithra solar religion (a proto monoteism) witch is also part of cattolicism, the philosofical mysteric religions, the celts and so on...
So as you people can see in the past age there was a wery large number of religions and belief many even opposite to each other and they were al labeled as pagans. So there is no PAGAN RELIGION but RELIGIONS!!!

We may find to day something similar in the Shintoism, and in someway in the Hinduism (Hinduism sadly are polluted with monoteistick element) but also moder cristian religion, there are many hellenic element in jesus and some religious expert identify Jesus in Dionisus and Apollonius (the pagan jesus).
But that is a wery complicated matter...witch we dont need to go inside it.

But remember there is no pagan religion, but religions, wicca is a moder religion (not ancient) and with lot of different ramifications...witch deserve a little more space and consideration rahter than many userious teen web sites around the internet.



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Posted 02 August 2005 - 04:11 AM

QUOTE(Lux Felix @ Jul 29 2005, 07:05 AM)
hmm wicca...I know many people who is involved in wicca.
There is lot of BS (bu11sh1t) out there but also lot of serious thing.
But first at all what's paganism? well already the word pagan has nothing to do with any kind of religion.
The word pagan is what the italian word paesano (or paisan in dialect) is and it mean peasant (paese=village). That's because back in the roman empire must of the cristians were living in the cities and the followers of the ancient religion for the must in villages. The word pagan it's a insult by cristians to other groups...sad but true.

There never was a pagan religion, but lot of different religions, just like today. Only a ignorant after all will mix hareKrishnas with jews and jehovas withness.
The must withspread was teh "Pvblica religio" witch we still to day see the pattern in both politicians and clericals. Then there was the cult of the ancestors, every village had one or more shamans, every temple has at least a indovin (a guy who predict the future thanx to the sign of animals or by the blod of sacrificing animals) by lakes and caverns it was not rare to find oracles (also known as Sibillas...women who could see in the future) and Carnas (singing female shamns).
Then there was the foreign religions like the egyptians famous Isis, Osiris and Horus (witch many expert see it today in the cattolic madonna) , the Mithra solar religion (a proto monoteism) witch is also part of cattolicism, the philosofical mysteric religions, the celts and so on...
So as you people can see in the past age there was a wery large number of religions and belief many even opposite to each other and they were al labeled as pagans. So there is no PAGAN RELIGION but RELIGIONS!!!

We may find to day something similar in the Shintoism, and in someway in the Hinduism (Hinduism sadly are polluted with monoteistick element) but also moder cristian religion, there are many hellenic element in jesus and some religious expert identify Jesus in Dionisus and Apollonius (the pagan jesus).
But that is a wery complicated matter...witch we dont need to go inside it.

But remember there is no pagan religion, but religions, wicca is a moder religion (not ancient) and with lot of different ramifications...witch deserve a little more space and consideration rahter than many userious teen web sites around the internet.

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Thank you for your insight, Lux Felix, and I strongly agree with you. Pagan describes many, many religions, not just one religion, which is a common misconception.

Pagan being an insult is believable, but I don't really see it as an insult since it's about the only word we have besides than "Other." Heathen, on the other hand, seems extremely offensive, as well as Heretic for anyone involved in that.

Baron Wormser said:

What brought me to the woods was the longing to be with words in an undistracted place. 'Woods' and 'words' were almost identical.

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 10:06 PM

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From what I understand Druids are part of nature and everything about them is about nature and the trees.  For me, it makes sense..it fits.It's what I have always been.




I have that book.... It is very interesting, and it is teaching me alot.


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Posted 01 October 2005 - 10:08 PM

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Paganism, Druids, The Craft are all faiths that require study. Not from one book or about one book, but from many disciplines; science, physics, metaphysics, ancient history, Myth, theology of all religions, and archaeology.  It is not for the faint of heart.  It is an experience religion.  I have learned as much or more from talking to the trees as I have from books.  When you embark on this Path you are in search of the true nature of the universe.  Magic is just a small part of it.  I only cast spells when people are in true need of help.  I do not take them lightly.  

I think Ashley; you fear what you don't understand.  To say 'don't do it' closes one off to a part of life that is filled with wonder and mystery.  
I have walked in the spirit world (or either world or alternate dimension) and found great joy and knowledge as well as things to fear.  You can learn to protect yourself harm.  

If you want to learn about Pagan religions in general I recommend "Drawing Down the Moon: Witches, Druids, Goddess-Worshippers, and Other Pagans in America Today" by Margot Adler.



I have that book... It is very interesting and it is teaching me alot.





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