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#31    Nancy

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Posted 21 September 2003 - 11:13 PM

thepsychoticseaotter......... Thank you for your compliment.

More than likely, this will be considered overreacting, but....... IF only I could chuckle at this, my blood pressure may not be hitting the ceiling.

In addition, the expression on my face is akin to  huh.gif  dontgetit.gif and  disgust.gif

Where do I begin this time?
Let's start with Naraya's comments. The LINK provided gave many incidents of happenings in March 2003. Some of the actual links to the individual articles are broken, so tis difficult to rebut. However, if I were you Naraya? I'd contact the original news source of all of those articles and ask WHY no one followed up. OR? If someone did, why was the outcome not published?

Stop and think of the unknown number of pranksters who simply live for causing havoc. "Fake" powder, "Fake" everything. Reminds me of hackers, in a way. Its as if whomever does this is baiting the government, almost daring them to prove them wrong and a plain nuisance! Can you imagine the millions of "breaches" of security that have happened and have been/are still being investigated? All this does is take those responsible for the security of the USA to waste time, not to mention millions of dollars that could be put to better use!

As for Deathlok? First of all welcome to the Forum. I see you are new. I also note no information on your profile, just as Naraya. This makes it difficult to persue a quality discussion, since it is impossible to tell if you are from the US or just chose to 'bash' the US.

I must admit, Deathlok, to me, several of your comments are no less than insulting:
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Those on the right, please leave and go and marvel about military aircraft or bigfoots.


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Those on the left, the work is not yet done. Bush's admin completely stonewalled the congressional enquiries, but there will still be a more open and far more conclusive commission into the Truth, and the real culprits (not Osama Bin Laden, or 19 fictional hijackers of Saudi, Egyptian or even "Iraqi" origin) will be brought to justice, including the complicit and/or negligent officals and politicians in the administration itself.


IF Congressional Inquirers were "stonewalled" that doesn't say much for their investigative skills, now does it? Are those who pried indepth into the background of September 11, 2001 not intelligent enough to discern 'stonewalling"? Perhaps not.

I read your last quoted paragraph three times to make certain my blondeness wasn't interrferring. I'll be darn, it does say "fictional hijackers" ....... See? There goes my blood pressure once again....... Ekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!

I do not voice my personal political beliefs on this Forum and am highly insulted when people are automatically lumped together as "right" or "left" .........

Deathlok? I hope to hell that anyone, elected politicans or not, is found guilty of being complicit or treason will be hung by their gonads, on Pennsylvania Ave., Washington, DC

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Posted 22 September 2003 - 12:17 AM

Nancy you are very welcome. I have come to find most of the evidence is at best circumstancial. If you watched the pbs documentary on why the towers fell; it explains what the 'explosions' etc were.

Why did I use PBS as an example? Well, as most as us here in the good ol' US knows PBS tends to be as left as it gets. So I consider the matter closed.

It sickens me to see the number of people crying 'conspiricy' when we should be rallying behind our leaders to bring the nation together to prevent another 9/11 or a worse attack.  

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Posted 22 September 2003 - 01:02 AM

QUOTE (reese2 @ Sep 21 2003, 06:53 PM)
Deathlok,

If you claim that people were shifted in the Pentagon a week beforehand, how can you back that up with more than just a hypothetical suggestion?


      Give some sort of substantial backing to your claims, please.

Sorry,

I thought that would be common knowledge on a government conspiracy forum.

I will go and collect a dozen qualified references to it in due course, to show you, if you are not up to speed on this yourself.


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Posted 22 September 2003 - 01:19 AM

QUOTE (Outbreak @ Jul 16 2003, 03:46 AM)
Well guys, I viewed the site and as a matter of fact, it all made sense.  I recently downloaded this video clip call "The Truth and Lies behind 9-11"  I highly recommend viewing it since it puts alot of things into prespective.  The entire video is fully authentic and has a US$1,000 reward if you can prove that anything he says in the video is false!

Once you have seen that, you realize that the US Government has been lying all along.  Currently in the news, the Head of the CIA admits to giving unconfirmed reports of Nuclear wepons being in Iraq.  There never was any!  The war was just a means to be able to get control of the oil fields.  Why was bush so worried about protecting the oil fields in the first place?  I didnt realize any of this until I took one giant step back and analyzed every single piece of information.  

A little facts: 20% of facts are absorbed by reading
                   60% "                                " seeing and hearing
                   80% "                               " seeing, hearing, and doing

9-11 was 80%, we believed everything they said.   For example, when an aircraft is hijacked, F-16's deploy 10 minutes later to escort the hijacked aircraft without the need for any Presidential Orders. Presidential orders are only required to shoot the aircraft down.  On 9/11, 4 aircrafts were hijacked, but the F-16 were only deployed 75 minutes later!  Why is that???

Guys get the video as mentioned above and your entire prespective on todays Politics will change.

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AfterMath: Unanswered Questions from 9/11

With the ongoing controversy over the federal probe into the September 11 terrorist attacks, GNN decided to pre-empt the government and produce its own version of a 'truth commission'.

911: The Road To Tyranny

911 THE ROAD TO TYRANNY IS SHAKING THE FOUNDATIONS OF WASHINGTON DC AS THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE AND REVEALING DOCUMENTARY FILM COVERING WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON SEPT. 11 AND WHO STANDS TO GAIN.

This is World War III
From Alex's Access Show Oct. 4th 2001
This shows Alex in July 2001 predicting the government would blow up W.T.C.

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Posted 22 September 2003 - 01:24 AM

November 7, 2001
  
  
Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, shown Jan. 9, 1957, was head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time the plans were drawn up and presented to the secretary of defense. [He was also part of the Council on foreign Relations(AP Photo)  
[HERE IS THE ORIGINAL]
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Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba

By David Ruppe



N E W  Y O R K, May 1 In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

http://216.10.26.55/CONSPIRACY/Operation_N...ABCNEWS_com.htm


http://web.ask.com/web?q=photo+of+rumsfeld...ddam&o=0&qsrc=0


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Posted 22 September 2003 - 02:13 AM

Hey "evidence". Seriously I see nothing that could not have been post produced or faked at one point or another. Hey I can make documents that have "secret" communications with mj12.

And I can make a video and put a date from 2yrs ago on it.  The ponit is I want to see hard evidence that does not sound like a spy thriller or has 20/20 hindsite I want to see actual tape off 20/20 or 60 minutes that prooves this.

But instead we get "George Bush sr. looks at his watch during a debate, and how it is a secret sign to the illuminate to kill some head of international security in preparation of the 9/11 attack top come. Also the Haarp and chemtrails must be aligned etc, etc.."

  Yeah my boots only go to my ankles...Hey couls someone pass a shovel ? cool.gif

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Posted 22 September 2003 - 04:33 AM

QUOTE (thepsychoticseaotter @ Sep 22 2003, 12:17 AM)
It sickens me to see the number of people crying 'conspiricy' when we should be rallying behind our leaders to bring the nation together to prevent another 9/11 or a worse attack.

that is ecaxlty why the government would want to plan an attack like that, so people would be more willing to give up their rights to "prevent" more attacks


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Posted 22 September 2003 - 04:34 AM

QUOTE (Nancy @ Aug 14 2003, 02:23 PM)
QUOTE (Lionel @ Aug 14 2003, 08:00 AM)
if you have a look at the passenger manifest of all the four flights....There was not a single arab on board any of those flights.

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


Could you please run that by me, one more time???????

Lionel, on reviewing that site, I find no date for reference purposes.

Who is the individual or persons who have posted this site? Without legitimate
credibility, I question the Contents, totally!

NOTE: The site to which your link takes me refers to information DATED September 13, 2001.  

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/lib...0913-usia18.htm

Has there been NO further investigation, since THEN?????????????????

Show me CURRENT stats, CURRENT data and we'll "talk."         disgust.gif    blink.gif

and what exaclty is a credible source?


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Posted 22 September 2003 - 02:48 PM

QUOTE (thepsychoticseaotter @ Sep 22 2003, 02:13 AM)
Hey "evidence". Seriously I see nothing that could not have been post produced or faked at one point or another. Hey I can make documents that have "secret" communications with mj12.

And I can make a video and put a date from 2yrs ago on it.  The ponit is I want to see hard evidence that does not sound like a spy thriller or has 20/20 hindsite I want to see actual tape off 20/20 or 60 minutes that prooves this.

But instead we get "George Bush sr. looks at his watch during a debate, and how it is a secret sign to the illuminate to kill some head of international security in preparation of the 9/11 attack top come. Also the Haarp and chemtrails must be aligned etc, etc.."

  Yeah my boots only go to my ankles...Hey couls someone pass a shovel ? cool.gif

You can download the Operation Northwoods documentation at the George Washington University's National Archive website. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/
or view it here: http://www.Public-Action.com/911/northwds.pdf .

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Posted 22 September 2003 - 11:44 PM

A credible source is one not on the lunitic conspiricy fringe. Mostly the "evidence" come from those who are mad  Gore didn't win the election.

Wich makes me wonder would you all be here if he won? The same events happen just a different prez.


Interesting idea.  

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Posted 23 September 2003 - 12:22 AM

and what exaclty is a credible source?

Lionel,
To answer your question "what exactly is a credible source?" may I add to what
thepsychoticseaotter replied?

I was referring to the LINK you provided and the contents contained therein. In fact, my last post is crystal clear on my objections to the LINK.

No one "fessed up" to who they were, where their information was secured and it is dated 3 days after the attack ........... 3 days!

A credible source is a known organization/individual who does his/her homework!
Someone who can state specifics that can be backed up by the information submitted. Their is no by-line in that information...... nothing to indicate that the information has been updated from over 2 years ago. When that site posted its data, our heads were still spinning from 3 days prior!

I am not saying that the Press is 100% honest or non biased. They want to sell magazines, newspapers and commercial time on their given news stations. However, as seaotter pointed out........ "out there" individuals who hate, slander or in general do all they can to undermine the security and reputation of this country and bash the efforts made by whomever is running it, in my book is the opposite of credible.


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Posted 23 September 2003 - 12:32 AM

Nancy

Forget my insults, they just attract attention and sort out the men from the boys (and girls). If you read one and are offended by it, develop a thicker skin, they are meaningless, you are just sitting at a computer idling away the hours.

Fictional hijackers, yes. Eight of the 19 "identified" by the post 9/11 investigation are known to be alive. Who knows whether the other 11 were the real mccoy, or just more examples of identity theft? There is no conclusive evidence of who they were at all, and the intelligence services just worked a fictional plot around them.

I don't believe the theory that two of the planes were flown remotely without hijackers. Some people do believe that. That would make the hijackers even more fictional.

If you want to see justice served in full for the attacks, no matter where the trail leads, I support you fully on that. But it doesn't point in many of the directions suggested by the official story of the government.

Anyway, I am noticing some of this stuff covers very old ground - questions about passenger manifests and so on, so I assume that the forum is not as widely read as I had been told.

There are a few people who are just in denial on the whole thing, that can't be helped.


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Posted 23 September 2003 - 12:50 AM

Well how about go back to where you heard that this board was well read, and stay there..    thumbsup.gif


Show some respect to Nancy, and everyone else you happen to insult while here for your brief stay.



OK, so if you believe that the investigation in narrowing down the wrong hall, what about the Bin Laden tapes that have him admitting it was his group that did this?  I mean you do speak his native tongue, right?  If you don't then you pretty much have to rely on someone telling you what he is saying.  Eekks....  


So, how do you decide on which side of the fence to sit?  The one that excites you more, and seems more like a fictional book full of lies, murder, and betrayel on the high government levels?  Why does everything have to have a twist to it?  Can't things just be what they are, as bad as they are already, without making up content for entertainment purposes?



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Posted 23 September 2003 - 01:38 AM

reese2

You are just another media and fashion victim.

OBL never admitted his group did anything, that's just propaganda. Go and read a transcript of what he said, from the Arabic, rather than taking my word for it.

Oh, most definitely he and his followers celebrated it, but never did OBL claim it.

There is a twist to anything that this government has done, dating back to the times that Bush Sr sold Hussein WMDs, and the purpose for why the USA created Osama Bin Laden in the first place, before he turned on them. I don't point that out for the excitement of it, only for the truth of it, and I wouldn't sit on any shaky fence sold to me by these pups.

Good luck in your own delusions though! Denial obviously serves people like you well, there is no effort involved.


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Posted 23 September 2003 - 05:01 AM

QUOTE (DeathlokTheDemolisher @ Sep 22 2003, 08:32 PM)
Nancy

Forget my insults, they just attract attention and sort out the men from the boys (and girls). If you read one and are offended by it, develop a thicker skin, they are meaningless, you are just sitting at a computer idling away the hours.


Deathlok..........

I must say that your writing style and demeaning comments turn my stomach.

Your pompous attitude and your assumptions are very insulting, as Reese pointed out.

It seems to me, you should get to "know" to whom you are "speaking" before making general statements, as you have to date.

You do not identify yourself on your Profile, so it makes communicating difficult, not knowing your country of origin, which normally influence one's outlook on life.

I was going to rebut your comments fully, but........ it isn't worth it. I am not afraid of "losing" to your babble. I simply do not tolerate insults, period!

If it is your opinion that those of us who participate here, only discuss "old ground" than I strongly suggest you find yourself a new place to haunt.

Ask anyone here. These comments of mine to you are totally out of character for me.

Keep those walls of yours up as high as they are now. I suspect those of us here will not even try to climb them and behave in an adult manner or show much respect.

One last thing Deathlok, I am a woman, NOT a girl.

SaRuMaN? If you wish to edit this, please do. I am not backing off on my feelings towards this new member. In all honesty? You created this wonderfully magical place for intelligent discussion, not for typing uneducated barbs at one another.
Healthy debate is just that...... Healthy.

Reese? Thank you....... your words are greatly appreciated.


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