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[aquatus1]

Feh.  I could have evolved a tail if I wanted to...

[marduk]

I've been trying for years too

[Atlantis Rises]

Feh.  I could have evolved a tail if I wanted to...

I have one, but it's between my legs.      And I have the power to wiggle it any time I want to.  

But seriously, back on topic.

[lex1]

This is totally Chicken or the Egg question

Most people give up and say God

Edited by lex1, 08 August 2005 - 05:17 PM.

[aquatus1]

People who understand evolution however, say "Egg", and are fully capable of supporting their answer (unlike those who claim God).

[marduk]

hehehe
sneaky aquaatus has baited his trap and now lies in wait

[aquatus1]

**wait for it, waaait for it...**

[PadawanOsswe]

curious, if we evolved, why are there still monkey's/Ape's/etc...?

wouldnt they have Evolved plenty of times by now if they were the bottom of the chain?

[marduk]

curious, if we evolved, why are there still monkey's/Ape's/etc...?

wouldnt they have Evolved plenty of times by now if they were the bottom of the chain?

The whole point of evolution is that one certain thing on a species changes making it more successful.
as a result you have a divergence occour
the chimps have evolved
just not in the same direction as us
4.000.000 years ago we were very similar to chimps
but we had tails
We have the same common ancestor but have since grown up in different families.

[Rakarin02]

curious, if we evolved, why are there still monkey's/Ape's/etc...?
wouldnt they have Evolved plenty of times by now if they were the bottom of the chain?

   Ahhh, that old chestnut.

   They are not at the "bottom of the chain". They are successful enough to have been around for several million years of geologic time. They filled a niche. Even the bacteria, which are about as primitive as you can get, have been around for over a billion years and are being discovered in places which no other form of life can survive (bacteria in thermal vents, bacteria discovered in rock samples almost 2Km deep, Bacteria millions of years old frozen in Antarctic ice which was revived, etc).  

   If "Intelligent Design" created everything, why are there birth defects, diseases, parasites, and for that matter, monkeys? To go by Genesis, why did God create pigs, shrimp, and clams if they are so unclean that eating them is an abomination before God?

   Perhaps you should check out primate taxonomy. There are hundreds of species, including "New World" and "Old World" monkeys.  

   Evolution is not something an animal just "decides to do". If so, the raptid saurians (the genus including the famous velociraptors from "The Lost World") would have simply "done it" long ago. Some cephalopods (octopi and cuttlefish) are intelligent enough to display learning and recognition, and cataceans are quite intelligent, so they'd just "give themselves some smarts". If all the primates could just "be smart" or decide to evolve, the Earth would have been a bloodbath of competition.

[Kalabalana]

Seriously, this is all covered in length in libraries, schools, and on the web. Don't look to a forum for solutions, especially a non-academic one

[Azariah]

good stuff here, but i'd like to point out that the saying is "Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny", not "ontology replicates philology" or whatever you said. and for a comprehensive look at the evolution of life on earth, check out this page, it's very good: Evolution

[manchiald]

look we were planted here... think about it even genesis says so.. god created the earth, but perhaps god is an alien and the formation of the earth was already here... and he or them came down and planted some sort of geneticallly enhanced seed that contained time, water, fire all the elements and to unravel into total chaos that strives to survive..

[Rakarin02]

good stuff here, but i'd like to point out that the saying is "Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny", not "ontology replicates philology" or whatever you said. and for a comprehensive look at the evolution of life on earth, check out this page, it's very good: Evolution

   Thanks. Yeah, I got that one wrong on my paleontology final, too. I know the concept, but the right words just never stuck in my head.

[RabidCat]

Hmm.  All very interesting, but...
Seems that the religious aspect here must accept damnation, but the "scientific" aspect does as expected: accept without question that which is academically presented.
Anyone play with particle physics?
Schroedinger's Cat?  Heisenberg?
'The observer always affects the observed.'
It's like accepting the ice age as a world wide phenomena without question.  And formation of huge valleys and rocky crags by glaciers: nonsense!  Read all about it in your college books, but don't question some "expert" who wrote some nonsense by reading what others wrote, accepting as fact, and elaborating without any real proof.
Yup.  As life has shown me, "science" is as much a religion as is religion.  Take it all on faith.  If it doesn't fit, don't look at it.  If it does, use it.  If it doesn't and you can't get rid of it, explain it away somehow.
When do we gain enough common sense to examine the whole, instead of small parts?
'Science will eventually discover an equation that explains it all.'  Road apples.  Answers, real answers, cannot be had until all the facts are known; we cannot possibly know all the facts; therefore, do NOT assume "science" has the answers.