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#1    saladins follower

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Posted 07 August 2005 - 07:26 PM

what is ur opinion here  original.gif

mine is this

why do the christians picture hell as in some what ways of their religion enemies
in some pictures,they have satan with a wide hooked nose, and those weird things,those are really hindu gods :: shrugs i know hard to belive:: and they say that the bath houses are demonic places ::shakes head:: just because muslims belive it is good to wash ur selves. and also they also killed 100,000 women belived to be witches... and some of them belived that the witches were the good ones in church,because what better soul shud satan attack than the one you would never expect no.gif this was in a book i once read this author wrote about the subject and he said if u tie rocks to a womens feet and throw her in a lake or a body of water that its not the rocks that will drown her its the mass amount of evil she has inside her that will not allow her to go up hmm.gif  and why is it you have to accept god and jesus as your savior??does that mean you have to be christian?

my belief islam,is less harsher on the subject..we belive that god would not be this hard on people and send all of the people that did mere sins would automatically go to hell... but we belive that hell is only temporary because u need wrath to see
that you did wrong,and that you need to see that allah loves,because the suffering should not be eternal but only the worst people are only permanent

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Posted 11 August 2005 - 06:27 PM

The real difference between islam and christianity is that christianity tried to contrl it's believers for centuries, and in order to do that they had to say that punishments were strict. The strictness of christianity was a contrl device. Than luther realised this and stepped in to say "hey, lets make a church less malicious than the cathlics" so they did. I dont think that lutherins believe that hell is eternal (although i could be wrong).


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Posted 11 August 2005 - 07:58 PM

I personally don't believe in the devil/satan or in hell not since grade nine or something. Oh and saladins follower it's kind hard to read your post (or anyone else's for that matter) if you don't use capitals starting a new sentence.

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 07:50 PM

Hmmm... I read the Quran and it keeps repeating how Christians and jews are infidels and going to hell. But that Muslims are ok and even if you are a little bad Muslim then you will still go to heaven because after all Allah is merciful.

What a bunch of mindless contradictory crap!!

Christianity is believed by so many people just like Islam is believed by so many people. In fact more people on earth are Muslims than Christians. People are stupid and will follow beliefs blindly if it fits there ignorant logic.
People believe as far as their intelligence will let them.  If you honestly believe in the word of one man, Mohammed, that he spoke to God then you are not yet intelligent enough to see how insanely ignorant that really is.

God may have spoke to someone some day in the past, funny how God hasn't spoken to anyone for over 1500 years; no one mentally sane that is. But what humans wrote down about God was only what they wanted to say for their own personal agenda. Mohammed was fighting Jews and Christians, he made up the story of talking to God and a lot of people that are uneducated, as there are today, believed him. That built up his army just as he wanted it to. Then it was later embellished by the Muslim clerics and forced upon everyone from early childhood to believe it or die. Yep, you for got that part in the Quran that says if you are not a muslim then you deserve to die and go to hell like all the Christians and jews.

All religions are bad. Humans cannot believe in something without trying to possess it and proclaim that it is the only way that is the truth. When we rid the world of religion, we will rid the world of much conflict.  But God is real. God is just not the one that people said God was many centuries ago.


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Posted 12 August 2005 - 07:59 PM

I have read the Quran  because I was hearing from so many people that Muslim is such a gentle peaceful religion and I couldn't understand why did they bomb 9/11 and I came to the conclusion that The quran  creates terrorists, its the extreme form of Fear and control and these people are groomed to kill for Allah its the greatest reward and their lives are lived in total devotion to the Quran again if you are muslim it is not unusual for you to deny that this is the truth I read the Quran as I would any other book and was shocked i also work with a Muslim women so I had someone to talk with and she confirmed that i was interpreting the Quran correctly she is very volatile and hates everyone , Namaste sheri




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Posted 12 August 2005 - 08:07 PM

I had several field studies in Iraq and Iran when I was in university in the 60s and believe me, the religious concepts of the Middle East are not founded upon peace or gentleness.


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Posted 12 August 2005 - 08:10 PM

QUOTE(saladins follower @ Aug 7 2005, 03:26 PM)
what is ur opinion here  original.gif

mine is this

why do the christians picture hell as in some what ways of their religion enemies
in some pictures,they have satan with a wide hooked nose, and those weird things,those are really hindu gods :: shrugs i know hard to belive:: and they say that the bath houses are demonic places ::shakes head:: just because muslims belive it is good to wash ur selves. and also they also killed 100,000 women belived to be witches... and some of them belived that the witches were the good ones in church,because what better soul shud satan attack than the one you would never expect no.gif this was in a book i once read this author wrote about the subject and he said if u tie rocks to a womens feet and throw her in a lake or a body of water that its not the rocks that will drown her its the mass amount of evil she has inside her that will not allow her to go up hmm.gif  and why is it you have to accept god and jesus as your savior??does that mean you have to be christian?

my belief islam,is less harsher on the subject..we belive that god would not be this hard on people and send all of the people that did mere sins would automatically go to hell... but we belive that hell is only temporary because u need wrath to see
that you did wrong,and that you need to see that allah loves,because the suffering should not be eternal but only the worst people are only permanent

p.s. tryin to win a award here  grin2.gif

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You obviously won't win an award for spelling and grammer.   devil.gif

People believe what they want.  Sometimes it's forced upon them, sometimes they have a choice. But what's should never be reinforced is blind faith.  That only leads to religious genicide and killing in the name of their God deeming it as rightful purification of sin.  Going to Hell is a scare for not commiting evil acts.  Heaven is a reward.  The trails in the bible is what we go through to determine where we will end up.  But neither can be proven true unless you die and then you can't tell anyone.  Some have claimed visions of Hell and Heaven, but nothing can be proven concretely.

Edited by Atlantis Rises, 12 August 2005 - 08:11 PM.

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Posted 12 August 2005 - 08:13 PM

iaapac, I was truly shocked more so than when I read the western bible but non the less , I even thought maybe I got the wrong one , so let me ask you is there a peaceful genlte muslim releigion and why do the muslims say that is not us we are about peace???? Namaste Sheri




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Posted 12 August 2005 - 08:25 PM

I think there is a much stronger leadership system within the religous structure of the Muslem.  At the same time, there are guidelines to which he must conform, for example, he take a pilgramage to Mecca as one of the Five Pillars of the faith.  When, however, this leadership becomes more radical as we saw with some of the religious figure heads in Iraq, violence is commanded in the name of Allah and to die in a jihad.

In moments of political crisis or other intenal upheavals that affect the religious tenants of the people, the more tranquil passages of their teachers are set aside and the god of vengeance takes control.  

It is not unlike the gentleness of Jesus being compared with a God who told the soldiers of Israel to bash the heads of babies against rocks.


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Posted 12 August 2005 - 08:31 PM

sheri, you will find that all of the abrahamic religions are bloodthirsty from a "textual" position.

islam is the completion of the family.  it is the one that has the most "checks and balances" within it.  it is indeed more peaceful than you are taking it to be.

the problem is that these "terrorists" and "fundamentalists" are just like the extremists found in christianity and judaism.  anything can be made to serve a purpose.  the middle east is a product of deep intermingling of islam and politics.  it is the same as when the christian church ruled the west (read crusdades, the dark ages).  the reason we had the great christian vs islam wars is because they are indeed both built on a notion of dominance and control (not just of the people subserviant to the god, but of the faith going forth and posessing that which is deemed theirs (the earth) by their god. the humor in it which shows how rediculous religion is both sided fought for the same god, of the same line of prophets, etc, etc.  it was the same thing we see with ignorances such as racism and sexism on a much grander scale (because the now there was an almighty absolute to relate it all to).

you will find that the abrahamic religions are a nasty breed.  much like a hornet's nest all of them.  left alone to take what they want and they are very peaceful.

however, of the two being compared in this thread:  if you strip away the confounding issues of theocracy you would find islam to be more complete and balanced (and peaceful) than its younger brother (with emphasis on adjusting for cultural biases and changes, the impact of theocracy, etc).



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Posted 13 August 2005 - 02:56 AM

sherri are you tryin to get to every one to hate you?? i see very hating christians all the time, but i dont say anythin hmm.gif and all these american people reading the quran  rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif you know how hard that is to belive... Well can you belive that jesus is the son of god? can u belive that moses is the prophet of the hebrews? yes i guess when it comes to jesus oh hes real.. why is it so hard to belive that. The Quran was not written word for word by muhammad ? Do you know why is that sherri


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Posted 13 August 2005 - 02:59 AM

QUOTE(Watzel @ Aug 12 2005, 03:50 PM)
God may have spoke to someone some day in the past, funny how God hasn't spoken to anyone for over 1500 years; no one mentally sane that is

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   I don't know about you but God speaks to me everyday I know I may be young But i seek his knowledge and i can see the big picture. Just look ,got creates miracles everyday remember actions are lowder than words. What do you expect for there to be a big earthquake and for the clouds to part and this deep voice come from nowhere and say what you want him to say? Well i got bad news thats not gonna happen. thumbsup.gif

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Posted 15 August 2005 - 09:04 PM

I believe that Mohammed was the devil.  devil.gif


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Posted 15 August 2005 - 10:09 PM

QUOTE(saladins follower @ Aug 12 2005, 07:56 PM)
sherri are you tryin to get to every one to hate you?? i see very hating christians all the time, but i dont say anythin hmm.gif and all these american people reading the quran  rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif you know how hard that is to belive... Well can you belive that jesus is the son of god? can u belive that moses is the prophet of the hebrews? yes i guess when it comes to jesus oh hes real.. why is it so hard to belive that. The Quran was not written word for word by muhammad ? Do you know why is that sherri


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Saladin if you choose to hate me for what your Quran states in black and white so be it I'm not christian I have read the Quran have a copy of it , all religons are fear producing some are worse that others in my opinion but religion speaks of a venegeful and punishing God as with all religons there are those that are highly evolved do not give lip service to the fear aspects of the Bible but very few, least of all the Quran its very clear on what it wants from its followers  

Surah 9:38 and 9:39

O ye who believe! What is the matter with you , that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth?

Unless ye go forth, he (Allah) will punish you with a grievious penalty,

Saladin this is from the Quran that is why I say the Quran creates terrorists this is the truth I'm sorry you don't see that.)

Surah 8:67
It is not for a prophet to have captives(of war) until he inflicts a masacre (upon Alllahs enemies) in the land. You (that is Muslims) desire the commodities of this world but Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is exalted in might and wise??  


the quran doesn't mince words it is said Surah 2:21

O mankind worship your lord who created you and those before you that you may become righteous.

Surah 1:2  1:7

All praise is due to Allah, lord of the worlds

the path of those  upon whom you have bestowed favor, not of those who have evoked(YOur) anger or those who are astray.

Saladin What is your response to these Surah's Namaste sheri





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Posted 16 August 2005 - 03:51 AM

very simple  original.gif is it possible the honorable prophet was referring to the early muslim crusaders (talking about  Surah 9:38 and 9:39
O ye who believe! What is the matter with you , that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth?) when its time to fight for your religion, and take back mecca.??? is it possible,

w00t.gif is it possible the jihad (holy war) was reffering to when the christians were trying to take back jerusalem  yes.gif


ur just hard headed some times all it is  grin2.gif

Edited by saladins follower, 16 August 2005 - 03:58 AM.





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