QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Aug 15 2005, 11:15 PM)
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Aug 15 2005, 09:40 PM)
QUOTE(Watzel @ Aug 15 2005, 01:04 PM)
I believe that Mohammed was the devil.
and i think that of christianity..... (that is a a great evil spread across the land to bring about the destruction of humanity).
QUOTE(saladins follower @ Aug 15 2005, 07:51 PM)
very simple
is it possible the honorable prophet was referring to the early muslim crusaders (talking about Surah 9:38 and 9:39
O ye who believe! What is the matter with you , that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth?) when its time to fight for your religion, and take back mecca.??? is it possible,
is it possible the jihad (holy war) was reffering to when the christians were trying to take back jerusalem
ur just hard headed some times all it is
yes, jihad means exertion. the mistake made is that islam calls for defense. it is not a pacifistic religion (like is bretheren). it does not call to be the agressor, but to defend (by the sword where necessary). a jihad to a muslim is equivilant to a "just war" in christianity. for those that don't understand this; war such as those led by the bush presidents could also be called jihads if we want to start labeling things to serve our own purposes - bush's call their wars just and they proclaim themselves christian... )
and no, i am not muslim. i just tire of all the western misconceptions of this religion, especially when they come from an a group that is by no means "of unbloodied hands" (christianity).
here is a test, which of christianity and islam calls for the equal treatment of women? hint: it isn't christianity!
Hyper I ask you are there different expessions of Muslim I have haerd they are a peaceful loving religion I'm not obseving that I have researched myself and have come to the conclusion that Muslim has become misunderstood as well as Christainity what may of started as a great idea got lost in translation, the bombings of 9/11 were an example of that religion as is is the source of serious problems I know you don't disagree. Namaste Sheri
I am not hyper, but I have drawn my own conclusions about Islam. It began as a conquering religion, and a bloody one. Overall, it has never changed, from any religious standpoint. One of its basic tenets from the get go was that the world had to be subdued and made to worship Allah, i.e., everyone had to become Muslims. That tenet has not changed an iota. People who know no better (or do, and nevertheless lie about it) say that Islam tolerates "People of the Book", i.e., Jews and Christians well . . . nothing could be further from truth . . . Christians and Jews pay through the nose for being so where Islam rules. Where Islam rules, when the Muslims run amok and slaughter Christians, their leaders say, "Ho hum, it was only Christians, no loss there," and do nothing whatsoever to punish the killers. If you haven't noticed, Jews have become anathema to Muslims just about every where, and Muslims won't even tolerate them anymore. In the middle of the 20th Century, some Muslims who were peace loving and rational tried to hijack Islam, in Iran. Under the Shah, Iran was a progressive country. Women could get educations, have careers, drive automobiles, and could go out in public on their own. But when Imam Ayatollah Khamenei returned and overthrew the Shah, Iran was plunged back into 6th Century CE thinking and that was the end of that little rebellion. Women were once again suppressed severely, and the most fundamentalist form of Islam returned. The Muslims always present a tolerant face when they are in the minority, but true and brutal Islam returns quickly when they have a majority. The goal of Islam remains . . . to take over all peoples of the world and force the inhabitants to either accept Islam or die. Simple as that. I know that others, liberals espousing diversity and Muslims, will tell you different, but they are either badly misinformed or lie. Think Taliban when you think Muslim . . . some are less fundamentalist, but not a whole lot. IMO, any woman who would convert willingly to Muslim has no self respect, and is willing to become essentially a slave to the men around her. Typically, under Islam, women have no rights at all. That is my take on it, and I have known more than a few Muslims in my day, and worked with and supervised them. They are the most difficult people to supervise I have ever experienced, bar none. There are always rebels in any religion who, when they can do so, abandon the tenets of their religion, and many keep on calling themselves by the name of their religion, even though they no longer practice that religion. I am sure you have met some Christians like that, and certainly there are lots of Jews in name only. Those who think otherwise will, in the end, get blindsided. I can get along with just about anyone, but I am quite careful in who I put trust in. My experience is that few deserve that trust. Keep in mind that actions speak louder than mere words.
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flying purple elephants...you know we have them here in Florida. 
