Cyaneyed on Oct 16 2007, 03:28 PM, said:
If one gets trapped on a snowy mountain, the safest way to stay warm is to bury yourself in snow, is it not? This gives me two immediate thoughts;
-Could they have deliberately piled snow over the entrance to the tent (meaning there was no avalanche), to help keep the tent warm and also to conceal the entrance from potential predators (since there's mention of a bear, I'm guessing that would be an issue)
-Why would they try to survive by creating fires when the safest thing would be to burrow?
At any rate, the snow over the tent entrance at least explains away why they ripped/tore their way out. It doesn't, however, go any way to explaining the urgency with which they did so.
This is a vary interesting opinion. But there was about -20 OC on the Cholat-Syahil mountain at that night. It is not critical, it is absolutely normal temperature for the winter overnight. The tourists had a wood log, and the oven, but they didn’t use them. When they had overnight in the wood, they used oven, because there was a lot of logs. But on the mountain the log is a problem, so, the tourists decided to have a cold overnight and use the log tomorrow to make a breakfast. So, there was no cold dangerous at all.
There are no wild animals around the mountain. The hunters did not visit it. After 26 days, when the saving team was found the tent, there was no soles around it at all ! No animals, no peoples. 4 dead bodies lied at the and of the mountain about 3 months, but nobody eat them.
It is not possible to fill up the entrance. This case the tent was broken. And there was no any reasons to do this.
Cyaneyed on Oct 16 2007, 03:28 PM, said:
If there were an avalanche, why would it stop at the tent, and not carry on past it, covering the footsteps in the process? This is the most confusing inconsistency for me. I do find it likely that the last four were buried in an avalanche, though why they were so far from the others and why they left I can't surmise. The injuries and the fact they are buried seems consistent though.
It was impossibly to be an avalanche. The mountain angle is 13-19o, it looks like a hill. Look at this picture:
http://infodjatlov.n...es/raz_0025.jpg The small red circle at the left side is the tent, in the right side – is the place of dead.
Cyaneyed on Oct 16 2007, 03:28 PM, said:
As they run down the hill, the party is divided into two groups, who don't ever see eachother again. Both groups create fires and try to survive next to them.
There was 75 meters between two groups. Is it so difficult to see the fires of each other ?
Cyaneyed on Oct 16 2007, 03:28 PM, said:
One of these groups is succombed to a localised avalanche and crushed to death.
When the people gets to the avalanche, they never die this way. If the avalanche is big, they have lots of bone breaks. Not only the head or ribs. If the avalanche is small, the reason of death is not hypothermia. This case the reason is asphyxia !
Cyaneyed on Oct 16 2007, 03:28 PM, said:
Their fire starts to wane and they fear death of exposure; one member remembers the knife they used to escape the tent. They and another member try to scale the incline and retrieve it, perhaps so the party can dig a hole to sleep in, whilst the other remaining members of the party stay beside the fire (perhaps due to being too cold/numb to move). The members all die of exposure before the knife is ever retrieved.
Do you mean, they decided to find the knife to dig a hole ? Why ? It is more better to increase the fire, they was in the wood, there are lots of logs around.
The fractured skull was irrelevant, quite possibly an old injury that had gone undetected (perfectly feasible)
This man (Slobodyn) has a fracture of the skull. When he had the strike, he lose consciousness immediately and died after that. It could not be an old injury.
The 'missing tongue' seems consistent with 'bleeding from the mouth' (I don't know if these two relate to the same individual). Quite possibly, the person in question could have accidentally bitten their own tongue out a some juncture. Be this down to a fall, pressure from the avalanche, or something else, the lack of a tongue is not an indicator of foul play, because there is no reason it wouldn't get buried seperately. Indeed, if it were the result of an accident, it's likely that in the cold snow, the person was so numb as not to even realise it had happened (if anyone's ever been that cold and injured themselves, you'll know wht I mean).
That girl (Dubinina) had not only the tongue. She had no some parts of her face, she had no eyes, she had crashed ribs. She lied 3 months under 3 meters of snow in the steam. Maybe her body was corrupted by time…
The orangeness of the skin may not be that exceptional, the bodies were irregularly exposed and the sun could have tanned their bodies.
In the medical documents of the bodies cutting it is not telling about this. So, the red color of skin is the myth. May be…
Radiation could be explainable, afterall radiation is natural, it's possible that natural pockets of gas could have seeped into the tent and frightened the party, or that the same instance went unrecognised but caused an adverse mental reaction (think hallucinogenic). That would actually explain the random nature of the team and the fact they seperated. Perhaps only when the effects wore off (and it was too late) did they consider making the fires.
One of tourist was not student. After finished institute, he become an engineer and he worked at the secret town which military factory. They used radiation materials. Next tourist worked which radiation materials at the institute.
Well, done. I know lots of details of this story, that are unavailable for English speaking people. If you has questions, please, ask.
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