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Gnosticisim and the Gnostic Gospels


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#1    JohnnyBoyC

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Posted 16 August 2005 - 02:19 AM

I have read SOME of the Gospel of Thomas. Some things in it are wise and some... are against fundamental Christianity. For those who do not know. The Gnostic Gospels never ONCE mention Jesus Divinity, they focus on the HUMAN qualities.

The Gnostic Gospels



The Gospel of Thomas

The Gospel of Philip

The Gospel of Truth

The Gospel to the Egyptians

The Apocalypse of Peter

The Apocalypse of Paul

The Letter of Peter to Philip

The Thunder, Perfect Mind

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Ok, so in my sig we see a phrase I recently read from the Gospel of Thomas, it is very wise, and was allegedly stated by Jesus.

If you want to read them...

The Gospel of Thomas

The Gospel of Philip

Ill add more later I have to go...

My question is, what are the credibility of these scrolls dug up in Egypt, that were allegedly concealed from Constantine, to preserve "Truth"

BTW These are also mknown together as "The Gnostic Bible" or more scientfically, "The Nag Hammadi Scrolls"


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Posted 16 August 2005 - 01:54 PM

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Posted 16 August 2005 - 02:00 PM

Well, I have read a few of them partially, but mythology is not really my bag (probably dated myself with that term).  I agree with you that they do not portray a divine Jesus, only a human one.  I doubt if you will get much from the Christians on this, they have been taught that those lost books were lost by God for a reason.  rolleyes.gif  yes.gif

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Posted 16 August 2005 - 02:10 PM

Err, we have been taught no such thing.  We are taught of the Gnostic gospels at church, though obviously in no great detail.  We are told they have biblical inconsistencies, which is why they are not in the canon, though i've never seen one to prove or disprove that.  I've been curious to read what they have to say for a while now.  So, thanks for the link.  I'll look it up and see where it takes me.

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Posted 16 August 2005 - 02:13 PM

I have never read these Gospels. I will check out your linky! original.gif

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Posted 16 August 2005 - 02:21 PM

Johnny boy I have only read the Gospel of Thomas. For some reason I trust whats in that gospel alot more then anything in the bible. The sayings of Jesus just seem to vibrate with truth alot more then other stuff in the bible.


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Posted 17 August 2005 - 07:20 AM

Ashley's dictionary:

Gnosticm:

1. A degenerate collection of utter tripe created as an aftermath for those who did not believe in divinity and believed God was evil, and that satan had rescued them by teacing them 'knowledge' through the temptation of Eve freeing them of the 'evil' Yahweh.

2. Utterly uninformed and majorly a Gentile creation. Confuses 'knowledge' of Tree in Eden with the reality of the matter which was in fact mortality for a second created angel whom death would never have touhced.

3. Crap, crap, and once more, crap.

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Posted 17 August 2005 - 11:32 AM

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Gnosticm:

1. A degenerate collection of utter tripe created as an aftermath for those who did not believe in divinity and believed God was evil, and that satan had rescued them by teacing them 'knowledge' through the temptation of Eve freeing them of the 'evil' Yahweh.

2. Utterly uninformed and majorly a Gentile creation. Confuses 'knowledge' of Tree in Eden with the reality of the matter which was in fact mortality for a second created angel whom death would never have touhced.

3. Crap, crap, and once more, crap

And this from a person who believes that "Enoch" is divinely inspired....to quote ASC, "Crap, crap, and once more crap"

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Posted 17 August 2005 - 12:11 PM

I'm more informed than you, and when I say it's 'crap' it is. When you say Enoch is 'crap' you talk from mere opinion. Go play with some toys over at the other scriptually illterate playground.


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Posted 17 August 2005 - 12:25 PM

When 98% of the biblical scholars say crap in reference to "Enoch", it is safe to assume that yours is the opinion, not the fact.  And that's my final answer.

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Posted 17 August 2005 - 12:47 PM

The gnostic writings seem to shed a light of reality on the man. The church hierarchy wanted to paint jc in a light of mystisism and purity, it puts the story of his life on a higher level. Some of us (including Thomas) see this man as just that a MAN with great social, psychological and marketing skills.

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Posted 18 August 2005 - 12:19 AM

QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Aug 16 2005, 07:10 AM)
Err, we have been taught no such thing.  We are taught of the Gnostic gospels at church, though obviously in no great detail.  We are told they have biblical inconsistencies, which is why they are not in the canon, though i've never seen one to prove or disprove that.  I've been curious to read what they have to say for a while now.  So, thanks for the link.  I'll look it up and see where it takes me.

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They have inconsistancies?  So do the Bible books they did choose.   rolleyes.gif


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Posted 18 August 2005 - 12:21 AM

QUOTE(curiousity @ Aug 17 2005, 05:47 AM)
The gnostic writings seem to shed a light of reality on the man. The church hierarchy wanted to paint jc in a light of mystisism and purity, it puts the story of his life on a higher level. Some of us (including Thomas) see this man as just that a MAN with great social, psychological and marketing skills.

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It was Paul who had the marketing skills!


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Posted 18 August 2005 - 01:37 AM

QUOTE(Lamont Cranston @ Aug 17 2005, 12:25 PM)
When 98% of the biblical scholars say crap in reference to "Enoch", it is safe to assume that yours is the opinion, not the fact.  And that's my final answer.

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And you opinion means jack to me. As for that '98%' times are changing, watch and learn.


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Posted 18 August 2005 - 11:48 AM

Yep, I've noticed  yes.gif - Christianity is dying everywhere but in the third world nations. yes.gif   Europe is for all intents and purposes a secular continent (even Italy has an extremely large secular population), Canada and the United States have seen the percentage of the population that claims Christianity fall from 87% in 1980 to 61% in 2005.  thumbsup.gif  Most of Asia has never been Christian, Christianity is growning in parts of Africa, but so is Islam. thumbdown.gif Central and South America have never really been Christian, although they pay lip service to Catholicism.  Their brand of Catholicism is actually a mixture of the various Native American (Red Indian to our Brit, Aussie, and Kiwi friends) religions married to a framework of Catholic Christianity.   blink.gif We will probably see an Africa with a Strong Fundamentalist Christian  population struggling with an equally Strong Islamic population within 2 decades.   ohmy.gif We will see a mainly secular North America and Europe  thumbsup.gif with a Muslim Middle East  no.gif (relax, their time will also come to die out) and a largely secular Asia (many of the so-called religions of Asia are more philosophies than religions).  Probably within 3 decades no one will even remember Enoch, Daniel or even the so-called Holy Scriptures of the Christians. thumbup.gif  That is how things are changing!  Which means your opinion is just that, and personal opinion that few if any share.   rolleyes.gif

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