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#1    NJC

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Posted 17 August 2005 - 02:24 PM

check these websites http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/rapture.htm
http://www.catholic.com/library/Rapture.asp


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Posted 17 August 2005 - 02:53 PM

I can see that the quotes all agree that some of that generation will still be living when he returns.  They aren't, so evidentally he isn't!  no.gif

Our earth is degenerate in these latter days.  There are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end.  Bribery and corruption are common,   Children no longer obey their parents.  Every man wants to write a book, and the end of the world evidently is approaching.
                    Assyrian tablet circa 2800 BCE

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Posted 17 August 2005 - 03:18 PM

I maintain as I always have that I do not believe the Rapture to be an actual event.  The second article NJC posted gives a little insight into what I believe.  I subscribe to the amellenialist belief of the end times.  And though I admit I could be wrong, I ultimately do not think it will matter.  Whether the Pre, Post, or A-millenialist view is correct the end result is the same.

Unless of course neither is correct in which case i'm stuffed tongue.gif

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Must we really go over that again.  Jesus did return.  You know - he died.  Three days later he rose again.  That's more of a return than you or I can boast, eh grin2.gif

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Posted 17 August 2005 - 03:33 PM

If you pray and will it hard enough your dream might come true. And then your be with your loving and kind god  original.gif  NJC can you do anything other than make threads and only put up links?

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Posted 17 August 2005 - 04:18 PM

as I have said before, show some proof of that (other than websites)  yes.gif

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Posted 17 August 2005 - 04:29 PM

WASH - One of the most significant pre-end-time events will occur August 18 through the 25th in Gog and Magog. Amassing on the border between Eastern Russia and Western China will be some ten thousand soldiers of the Russian and Chinese armies, ready to conduct joint military exercises for the first time in modern history.

Bitter enemies throughout the last three hundred years, China once claimed that much of the Russian far east rightfully belonged to Beijing and this territorial rivalry, along with competing brands of communism in the 20th century, resulted in many a bloody battle along their common border. But this is the very land of Gog and Magog described in the Bible.

And the military exercises are also reflective of this area that scholars debate as to the true identity of Gog and Magog. Russia and Moscow are commonly accepted as Gog. Magog, however, is disputed as to whether it is part of Russia or part of the former land roamed by the Scythians, which would put the area in both the hands of Russia and China. Irrespective of the debate, it is agreed that this is the general area prophesied by the prophet Ezekiel of those who will come against Israel in the last days.

In typical propaganda jargon, the official Chinese state media has named the operation "Peace Mission 2005." The exercise includes land, air and sea forces in addition to paratroopers and crack troops. They are targeted at improving each country’s ability to "jointly strike international terrorism, extremism and separatism."

The two traditional bitter enemies have been building a cordial military relationship over the past 15 years. Currently, Russia’s flagging military economy is the primary supplier of high-tech weaponry to the Chinese, providing the Russians with badly needed currency for its military industrial complex.

Chinese state media, in shedding a bit of light on the military exercises said, "The drills mainly aim to deepen Sino-Russian mutual trust, promote mutual friendship and enhance the co-operation and co-ordination of the two armed forces in the areas of defense and security."

Already the United States is on edge about this very visible flexing of military muscle. Defense Department officials have testified before Congress that the Chinese military represents a threat to the United States, and even more directly to the renegade Chinese property, Taiwan, whose freedom the U.S. is obligated by law to defend.

The words of import in this announcement were those that said these exercises would enhance the army’s abilities to jointly strike international terrorism, extremism and separatism. We know what terrorism is, but their Islamist allies think Israel defending itself is terrorism. Extremism from a communistic perspective could be Capitalism. And separatism means Taiwan. Warnings all!

Any respectable intelligence agent would have never thought possible that Russia and China would be holding joint military operations. During the U.S. cold war with the Soviet Union, China and the Soviets, although both communistic, sported different brands of communism that made them both economic and military rivals. Indeed, China had been a relatively closed society and limited showings of its military power to the Western world to rare parade appearances and small strategic demonstrations.

The prophecy of Ezekiel some 2,500 years ago described this relationship: “Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him…And the Lord said He would bring them, along with Persia, Ethiopia, Libya and other nations against Israel.

This military exercise will practice the cooperation needed to come against Israel, and both China and Russia are assisting Iran and other nations in their preparation for this cataclysmic battle. It is happening before your eyes.


http://farshores.org/05et10.htm

things could get interesting around here.


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Posted 17 August 2005 - 04:44 PM

NJC, it is bad form to start a thread with just a link or two and no commentary/opinion. Do a bit of work on your own and give people a reason to want to go read the article.

Have I made myself clear?

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 17 August 2005 - 06:19 PM

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things could get interesting around here.

Or not!  Why should we accept your identification of Gog and Magog?  I can go on line and find G&M identifications ranging from the Celtic to the Afghanis to the Chinese....Face it, it is all mythology and people who should be intelligent enough to see that get their knickers all in a twist over the rantings of a man who died 2500 years ago that was little better than a bronze age barbarian!  If that is all you have to worry about, you seriously need to get a life!   yes.gif

Our earth is degenerate in these latter days.  There are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end.  Bribery and corruption are common,   Children no longer obey their parents.  Every man wants to write a book, and the end of the world evidently is approaching.
                    Assyrian tablet circa 2800 BCE

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Posted 17 August 2005 - 07:19 PM

man, don't be a prick.  you are very funny though.


just look at your sig, you seem like you need to get a life.  It is no fault of mine if you misinterpret my post,  you are seriously a fool.

Edited by Ciraxis, 17 August 2005 - 07:20 PM.


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Posted 17 August 2005 - 08:04 PM

since i saw that other rapture thread it inspired me to go look it up in google


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Posted 17 August 2005 - 08:11 PM

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you are seriously a fool

I only rebutt the foolishness of others, if that makes me a fool, then it is only through association with the fools posting foolish and often totally out of context and misunderstood material that they dig up off the internet.  If a little knowledge is dangerous, you must be lethal!  yes.gif

Our earth is degenerate in these latter days.  There are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end.  Bribery and corruption are common,   Children no longer obey their parents.  Every man wants to write a book, and the end of the world evidently is approaching.
                    Assyrian tablet circa 2800 BCE

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Posted 17 August 2005 - 08:38 PM

hahaha!


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Posted 17 August 2005 - 09:06 PM

The Rapture story was begun by John N. Darby, a minister of the Church of Ireland, back in 1830.  He based it off a loose interpretation in Corinthians.  There was no actual mention of an 'air passage' till the Scofield Bible was printed in 1909.


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Posted 17 August 2005 - 09:19 PM

QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Aug 17 2005, 05:06 PM)
The Rapture story was begun by John N. Darby, a minister of the Church of Ireland, back in 1830.  He based it off a loose interpretation in Corinthians.  There was no actual mention of an 'air passage' till the Scofield Bible was printed in 1909.

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  Ah crap! you beat me to the punch. I always thought that if the rapture did happen it would look like Micheal Jackson's 'Thriller' or 'Dawn of the Dead'.  Can you imagine raising your hands  toward heaven and having them drop off?

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Posted 03 September 2005 - 02:15 PM

Mako is entirely correct in his statement that if the Revelation of St. John had been true, Jesus would have returned circa 90 to 100 AD.  It was clearly written with the intention that Jesus would return in that time.  The seven headed red dragon was clearly an allusion to the Roman empire of St. John's time, (the government which exiled him to the island of Patmos) and not the Catholic Pope of today.  


The most amusing aspect regarding the whole "Rapture myth" is that when Jesus said "some will be taken away", which was the basis of it,  was NOT intended to be a "good" thing.

Although so much of the original Christian doctrine has been perverted by pagan beliefs to make the new religion popular in the Greco Roman world, in John's time it was still a widely held belief that great serpent-dragons residing in Heaven and controlled by the ArchAngel Gabriel would "take away" (consume) the unrighteous.  This can be seen in other early Christian books such as Baruch as well as a great deal of Hebrew religious literature.  This idea evolved into the dragon's mouth allegory of "hell" in the middle ages.

Think about it.  Being "taken" is not a good connotation, as in, "the surfer was taken by the shark", or "the missionary was taken by the lion".  In this case, Jesus meant that the "unrighteous Christians would be taken by the Seraphim dragons"  grin2.gif .  

The Apocolypse of Baruch, Enoch, etc are a good examples though, how the early Christian leaders picked and chose the books they liked.  John's revelation could have been left out just as easily as those books, and Christian doctrine would be far different today.

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