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#16    Ken1Burton

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Posted 27 August 2005 - 07:13 PM

Jesus bled to death on the cross, The Spear piercing His side, showed that the Body Cavity contained blood and water. A Dead man does not bleed. The blood had to be pumped into the Body Cavity while Jesus was still alive.

His heart either ruptured, or a main artery broke:

(JOHN 19:34) But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side,
and forthwith came there out blood and water. (KJV)

The Jewish Nation have their own copies of what Christians call the Old Testament. Genesis, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Etc. They would not alter them to fit Jesus. The Jewish Holy Scriptures and the Old Testament are almost the same, Some wording changes. But the main prophecies concerning the Messiah are the same.

God foretelling what would happen to Jesus, and foretelling it by many people, Over 1500 years or time. In detail. And even though the Church has yet to see it clearly, all was fulfilled in ONE DAY. Showing there is a GOD by His ability to do this, and that Jesus is who He sent.

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Posted 27 August 2005 - 11:36 PM

But tell me the conspirices!

"Regarder vos anciens frères et voir comment qu'ils a brûlé la terre et voit que l'haine qu'ils montrent à chaque autre et voit vos frères avec la peau du soir qui travaille si dur, mais ne pas obtenir de gratitude!"
Translated from french that's
"Look at your former brothers and see how they have burned the land and see the hatred they show to each other and see your brothers with the night skin that work so hard, but get no gratitude!"

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Posted 28 August 2005 - 12:56 AM

Brother Werewolf.

The Conspiracies? You want me to divulge top secret information? Information kept Secret from the Foundation of the World.

(MATTHEW 13:35) That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the
prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter
things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. (KJV)

(PSALMS 78:2) I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: (KJV)

You are looking in the wrong place for the Conspiracies. You think the Church is the holdout, God never gave the Secrets to the Church.

(MATTHEW 13:11) He answered and said unto them, Because it is given
unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to
them it is not given. (KJV)

KNOWING the Mysteries is the QUESTION HALF. It was not given them to know the Answers. And they have yet to accept them, if they have even heard them. And very few have heard the right answers.

AND would THOU KNOWETH? Even if it were declared unto You? Would you be able to accept what God has kept Secret?

Here is a KEY:

(PSALMS 119:165) Great peace have they which love thy law: and
nothing shall offend them. (KJV)

Here is another KEY:

(1CORINTHIANS 1:28) And base things of the world, and things which
are despised, hath God chosen, yea,  and things which are not, to
bring to nought things that are: (KJV)


Now for the MATH: Add three verses. And the answer you get is the correct answer. Fear may compel you to change the answer to another answer which is wrong so you do not offend others, Mainly so you do not offend God.

ADD:
(EXODUS 4:11) And the Lord said unto him, Who hath made man's
mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the
blind? have not I the Lord? (KJV)

ADD:
(ISAIAH 45:11) Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his
Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning
the work of my hands command ye me. (KJV)

ADD:
(MATTHEW 12:22) Then was brought unto him one possessed with a
devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind
and dumb both spake and saw. (KJV)

NOW, What is God’s NAME?

Now for Advance Math:

(PSALMS 99:3) Let them praise thy great and terrible name; for it is holy. (KJV)

And for an ADVANCE Question: What is God’s HOLY NAME?

(ISAIAH 45:15) Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of
Israel, the Saviour. (KJV)

What SAYETH the WOLF?

Caneth thou see in Darkness?

(MATTHEW 10:27) What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in
light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the
housetops. (KJV)

If indeed thou be a creature of the night, where shadows frighten the brave, and bring quivers down the spine of the mighty. Then deeper into the forest we shall venture. seeing the Depths of Satan, Even coming to His SEAT. “If thou be a creature of the night.”

The difference being if you “WERE”  Wolf, Or if you “ARE”  Wolf.

Ken

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Posted 28 August 2005 - 02:17 AM

"If indeed thou be a creature of the night, where shadows frighten the brave, and bring quivers down the spine of the mighty. Then deeper into the forest we shall venture. seeing the Depths of Satan, Even coming to His SEAT. “If thou be a creature of the night.”

The difference being if you “WERE” Wolf, Or if you “ARE” Wolf."


Did you just make fun of me in a complicated and puzzling way?
Or are you just trying to ask me a question?

"Regarder vos anciens frères et voir comment qu'ils a brûlé la terre et voit que l'haine qu'ils montrent à chaque autre et voit vos frères avec la peau du soir qui travaille si dur, mais ne pas obtenir de gratitude!"
Translated from french that's
"Look at your former brothers and see how they have burned the land and see the hatred they show to each other and see your brothers with the night skin that work so hard, but get no gratitude!"

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Posted 28 August 2005 - 02:38 AM

QUOTE(Brother_werewolf @ Aug 25 2005, 11:25 AM)
QUOTE(Pontius Pilate @ Aug 25 2005, 03:58 AM)
The real question is not how did he die but, "Did he ever really live?"

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Good point

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It's proven that jesus was real, it's just that people have different beliefs on whether he was the messiah or not.


And if you read the bible, you'd know for sure that jesus died by the cross, there's no other way to interpret that part...

Edited by Wingman, 28 August 2005 - 02:39 AM.


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Posted 28 August 2005 - 02:51 AM

Brother Werewolf.

Neither of the Above. I was trying to see if you are searching for real answers, and if you could handle the real answers.

You or anyone else can answer. Who can see in Darkness? Darkness being that which has not yet been brought to light. or not accepted as Truth yet.

I can knock the Math down to two verses:

(MATTHEW 12:22) Then was brought unto him one possessed with a
devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind
and dumb both spake and saw. (KJV)

(EXODUS 4:11) And the Lord said unto him, Who hath made man's
mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the
blind? have not I the Lord? (KJV)

The Math is EASY. Accepting the Answer is VERY VERY HARD.

Are you ABLE? You wanted to know the Conspiracies, There are a lot of them, They have been kept hidden for a long time. Their being so offensive is the way they have been kept hidden. Do you really want to know the Truth of the matter?

Ken

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Posted 28 August 2005 - 03:25 AM

QUOTE(Ken1Burton @ Aug 27 2005, 06:51 PM)
Brother Werewolf.

Neither of the Above. I was trying to see if you are searching for real answers, and if you could handle the real answers.

You or anyone else can answer. Who can see in Darkness? Darkness being that which has not yet been brought to light. or not accepted as Truth yet.

I can knock the Math down to two verses:

(MATTHEW 12:22) Then was brought unto him one possessed with a
devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind
and dumb both spake and saw. (KJV)

(EXODUS 4:11) And the Lord said unto him, Who hath made man's
mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the
blind? have not I the Lord? (KJV)

The Math is EASY. Accepting the Answer is VERY VERY HARD.

Are you ABLE? You wanted to know the Conspiracies, There are a lot of them, They have been kept hidden for a long time. Their being so offensive is the way they have been kept hidden. Do you really want to know the Truth of the matter?

Ken

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Thank you for clearing that up.

"Regarder vos anciens frères et voir comment qu'ils a brûlé la terre et voit que l'haine qu'ils montrent à chaque autre et voit vos frères avec la peau du soir qui travaille si dur, mais ne pas obtenir de gratitude!"
Translated from french that's
"Look at your former brothers and see how they have burned the land and see the hatred they show to each other and see your brothers with the night skin that work so hard, but get no gratitude!"

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Posted 28 August 2005 - 09:19 PM

QUOTE(Pontius Pilate @ Aug 25 2005, 11:58 AM)
The real question is not how did he die but, "Did he ever really live?"

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I do believe that Jesus lived.  But I have other theories on who he actually was.  

Of course this is just a thought I had - I completely respect other peoples beliefs and opinions.  But what if Jesus was someone who could perform what were called mircales, but what we see today at magic?  Imagine all those years ago if people could perform 'tricks' that had never been seen before.  You would think they had some special powers and indeed were sent from God.

The Bible COULD be a book of tales, written by the believers and what they thought to be real.  

I do believe that Jesus was crucified - but this may have been down to the fact that people couldnt accept what he was.

If I could go back in time I would LOVE to find out exactly what the truth was, and that way we would all know - religion is the cause of a lot of the trouble in the world, but it only based on what people choose to believe - not the truth because it cannot be proven.




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Posted 28 August 2005 - 10:44 PM

QUOTE(Evaluna @ Aug 28 2005, 01:19 PM)
QUOTE(Pontius Pilate @ Aug 25 2005, 11:58 AM)
The real question is not how did he die but, "Did he ever really live?"

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I do believe that Jesus lived.  But I have other theories on who he actually was.  

Of course this is just a thought I had - I completely respect other peoples beliefs and opinions.  But what if Jesus was someone who could perform what were called mircales, but what we see today at magic?  Imagine all those years ago if people could perform 'tricks' that had never been seen before.  You would think they had some special powers and indeed were sent from God.

The Bible COULD be a book of tales, written by the believers and what they thought to be real.  

I do believe that Jesus was crucified - but this may have been down to the fact that people couldnt accept what he was.

If I could go back in time I would LOVE to find out exactly what the truth was, and that way we would all know - religion is the cause of a lot of the trouble in the world, but it only based on what people choose to believe - not the truth because it cannot be proven.

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So Jesus was a magician? Interesting theory! thumbsup.gif

"Regarder vos anciens frères et voir comment qu'ils a brûlé la terre et voit que l'haine qu'ils montrent à chaque autre et voit vos frères avec la peau du soir qui travaille si dur, mais ne pas obtenir de gratitude!"
Translated from french that's
"Look at your former brothers and see how they have burned the land and see the hatred they show to each other and see your brothers with the night skin that work so hard, but get no gratitude!"

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Posted 29 August 2005 - 01:50 PM

Evaluna.

We can go back in time and check it out. I did myself. I went back 400 years before Jesus was laid in a manger in Bethlehem.

The Jewish Holy Scriptures exist today as they did 400 years before Jesus walked the Earth. Hundreds of prophecies concerning what this person would do. The Jewish Faith is not about to change those Scriptures to fit Jesus.

It is Jesus doing what God had foretold by the Prophets that show He is not a person using magic. He is Pre-Ordained of God.

If “Religion is the cause of a lot of trouble in the world.” Would it have been better for mankind not to believe? We have had, and still do to some extent, Countries which are based on being Atheists. How pleasant to be a citizen of such  a country? Or maybe that is “How Peasant”

There are thousands of “Religions” and we are at a “make your own” period of time. There is one Religion Faith that regards all mankind as precious. Something an Atheist country does not quite see. Christianity has Value for mankind. I am not talking of those who have abused their power in Christianity. But those who out of love have shared, and lived that Faith.

Ken



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