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#31    Essan

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 10:16 AM

QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Aug 30 2005, 12:45 AM)
Dinosaurs wwere extinct by the time of Moses. And they did not happily co-exist with man, they turned the Earth into a bloodbath eating and I quote 'birds, reptiles, animals, and humans'. They devoured all flesh, and were NOT an originally created animal, but the hybridization of 200 of every originally created animal.


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Posted 30 August 2005 - 10:35 AM

Yes, and it also states they ate all the produce thereby man was running out of food.


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Posted 30 August 2005 - 10:41 AM

QUOTE(JMPD1 @ Aug 30 2005, 01:16 AM)
Then why isn't this mentioned anywhere else but in the book of Enoch?

As someone stated earlier, if these beasts roamed the Earth while Man did, it would have been mentioned a little bit more often, no?




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I think A lot of the disagreement here is in perceptions.  Ancient peoples wrote about encounters with large and strange sounding animals, sometimes called Dragons etc.  We dig up bones of large stange animals and call them dinosaurs.

It depends what you believe to start with how you would interpret the data.

For example:  The Old English Poem The Beowulf Epic.  A large sea creature which attacks ships is killed and dragged onshore by beowulf and his men.  Some people say this is a dinosaur, some say a whale.

Grendel: a man sized-bipedal creature capable of leaping, killed thirty men in one night, a nocturnal beast.  beowulf killed this by tearing off its forelimb.  An illuminated contemporary account of this shows an odd looking bipedal creature.
Some people say this is a dinosaur, some say a personification of the North Sea.

Take even Babylon: the Gilgamesh Epic or the babylonian seal where someone is battling a bipedal creature and cutting off its arm. Some say these mention dinosaurs, some say fictional adventures.  

There are literally scores of examples of ancient accounts people say were with dinosaurs, but others give alternative explanations for them.

Its up to the inidividual to choose.

The bible talking about a behemoth and leviathin dont look like an elephant and a whale to me.  But thats just my opinion thumbsup.gif .  Some cultures rode elephants in war or ceremonially at that time, I dont think they would be scared of something they had domesticated.  At the National Archaeological Museum in Naples there is a Roman Mosaic of a sailor battling a long necked sea-beast.  This I have seen and it started me thinking on this, it is exactly like a dinosaur is depicted in books ohmy.gif



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Posted 30 August 2005 - 10:47 AM

Gilgamesh on account of the Book of Watchers in the Dead Sea Scrolls, was a Nephilim. I've also read the extra-Biblical account of Gilgamesh which talks of him surviving the 'great flood' which wiped everything out, and that he was a giant, etc.

As it says, there were a few Nephilim which survived the flood.

Just had to add that.


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Posted 30 August 2005 - 11:57 AM

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You mean we run screaming into the kitchen to hide from veloceraptors?

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 12:04 PM

You know, Japan is building a theme park for extinct cloned animals starting with the Mammoth. With all that T-Rex blood (and yes, DNA) talks of cloning are floating about. Hmm, a real life Jurassic Park, cloned dinosaurs in the 21st century. I can see 'running and screaming' already....please, please....someone clone them. tongue.gif


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Posted 30 August 2005 - 01:33 PM

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I'm sure there are no cut-and-dry dinosaur passages.. "And so Moses rode the Brachiosaur into Egypt.."

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laugh.gif  Ha ha ha ha....  That is my new favorite UM quote.  

And as for the topic--- If enormous, ferocious, often flesh-eating reptiles roamed the land amongst these people, don't you think there would be a few more references to them besides some poetically veiled descriptions in one book?  As it is, all the dangerous creatures of that land are mentioned throughout the Bible.

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Personally, I don't see why it is very important to know if dinosaurs were around in Biblical times - would that make God's creation (if you believe in that) any less wonderous?  

I would have to think, however, if the asteroids that hit the ocean and caused global flooding were the reason behind both dinosaur extinction and Noah's flood, why weren't either thing mentioned?  ie.  God told Moses to gather two of each animal except those big guys over there.  God sent flaming rocks from the heavens to rend the oceans and cause the flood.  Why would it rain for 40 days and nights if tidal waves caused the flooding?

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 03:08 PM

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 05:11 PM

QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Aug 29 2005, 10:28 PM)
Really? Radio-metric dating showed a T-Rex bone to be all but 15,000 years old. And please don't even get me started on the T-Rex blood found TWICE and with Hemoglobin, blood vessells and soft blood tissue. Not the mention that dinosaur bones in museums are being recalled to check for the same material.

May I also ad that Carbon Dating usually takes many 'goes' each coming up with different dates, and it's a hat picking guess as to which is right.

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chasing the carbon dating trail again.

i take this as an admission you can not back your claims.


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Posted 02 September 2005 - 12:38 AM

Although the Bible doesn't say that "Moses rode a Brachiosaur", it does say "God rode a great winged Cherubim", and as my new book will prove with numerous ancient texts and illustrations, these "Cherubim" are not the "fat little angel kids" taken from the pagan Greek religion by the early Christians.  They are in fact, the fire spewing, flying reptilian dragons firmly believed in for thousands of years by virtually every culture in the world.  Detailed depictions of them exist as early as early as 3000 BC in Sumeria, and they are winged, horned, scaly, long necked creatures that most people today would call a "dragon".  And in the Bible they spew fire exactly like the dragons of later legends.

So if such fearsome creatures really existed, why didn't they wipe out the human race?  Simple, as the Bible and related texts state, they are servants to the Creator God.  Yes, they do eat people, burn cities, etc, but their activities are carefully controlled.  They are highly intelligent creatures, capable of human speech, and not allowed to harm righteous people.  The Cherubim Satanel is one of these dragons, which is why he could so easily fly Jesus up to the temple pinnacle and place him their with his talons.   As my book will prove however, this dragon was never an enemy of the creator God, but his role was reversed by the early Christians to turn Jesus' teachings into the dualistic, pagan-influenced religion it has unfortuantely become today.  

These creatures are mentioned as dragons (Tannin) at least 20 times in the old testament, and many more when described by their specific hierarchy, destroyers, cherubim and seraphim.  Seraphim, in fact, means in Hebrew, "a flying and fiery serpent", which is a good description of a classic dragon.  These dragons were turned into absurd human-like winged spirit creatures as the pagan greek writers of the new testament contaminated the holy scriptures with their pagan ideas, including the fiery "hell" stolen directly from the Greek Hades, and never mentioned in the Bible before the Greeks came to Israel with the conquests of Alexander the Great.

Dragons are not dinosaurs, but share an evolutionary  lineage with these more primititive creatures, just as man does with the lesser primates.  Both humans and dragons were "improved" by God.  The dragons were "taken" millions of years ago, to be servants long before the human race evolved.  This saved them from the mass extinction of their primitive dinosaurian cousins.   It was not until humans came into the earth that the angels (who were simply improved humans and never mentioned having wings) could exist.  This is why the most senior heavenly creatures are the Seraphim and Cherubim dragons.  They existed millions of years earlier than the humans and angels.

Why are there no dragon fossils?  As the Bible says, none have ever  been killed, they are immortal, heavenly creatures, and as the book of Revelation states, destined to return to earth with sharp teeth and fiery breath to destroy one third of the human race.   It is possible we may find fossils of the ancient reptiles that would become the heavenly dragons.  New dinosaur species are discovered every year.  As my book will show, there have already been found some extinct giant reptiles with very dragon-like characteristics and appearance.l

Oh, and the Nephilim of the Bible cannot possibly be dinosaurs or dragons.  Reptiles cannot mate and produce offspring with humans, and science proves that the dinosaurs were long-extinct before the human race evolved.    My research indicates that the Nephilim were unquestionably the man-like creatures we know today as Neanderthals, which were larger, had bigger brains and interbred with the modern humans, exactly as the Bible/Enochian literature says.  Then despite their great success for tens of thousands of years, they simply all vanish without a trace ca. 30,000 years ago.  This was because they were all eaten by the heavenly dragons, though this story, and the minor Black Sea (Noah) flood of ca. 5,000 BC have become intermingled  through the oral traditions of of the illiterate, nomadic shepherds who centuries later would become the Hebrews.

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 12:55 AM

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 12:59 AM

Could you please tell me in the old testament where you found this? I have a Bible and i'm just curious.


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Posted 02 September 2005 - 01:13 AM

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if you are addressing my post, be advised that many modern Bibles have taken the word "dragon" out, except for the references to Satan in the New Testament blasphemy of the earlier scriptures.  You must go to an earlier King James edition, or the original Greek, written before the numerous sects of false christians who have perverted God's word with their re-editing of the Bible.  Many "dragon" accounts are contained in the so called forbidden, and supplementary Jewish religious texts that complement the Bible and fill in various gaps.  All of these accounts are mentioned and explained in my book which will be released this year.


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Posted 02 September 2005 - 01:57 AM

Like you're the only ne who has something to say on this matter. Don't headbutt, it's impolite.

@ Hyperactive. I have plenty to back up my claims, and I really don't need to write a whole book for each post to explain them. I'm a tad more....protective...of my work than some. I don't believe in blurting it all out in one go. I watch, I wait, I listen.

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 02:21 AM

QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Sep 1 2005, 05:57 PM)
Like you're the only ne who has something to say on this matter. Don't headbutt, it's impolite.

@ Hyperactive. I have plenty to back up my claims, and I really don't need to write a whole book for each post to explain them. I'm a tad more....protective...of my work than some. I don't believe in blurting it all out in one go. I watch, I wait, I listen.

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well then, all i ask (since this is the "play nice" section) is go back to the timeline i posted and expand it to show where all your info on dino extinction, birth, etc fits in it.  I say (and i have plenty of science to back it up too) that your timeline is unworkable based on the evidence we have.  I am interested in seeing your alternate timeline though.


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