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#61    Nadia B.

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 06:27 PM

Whatever.  So, even though the military has had booths at every job fair since the beginning of time, they shouldn't do so now?

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 07:17 PM

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[...] At every job fair I have ever been to, there have always been recruiters there.  Always.  That's just how it works here. [...]

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I believe it, and whom do you think they were recruiting - wealth white people from the upper 4%, or kids who have collage paid for by Ma and Pa, or people with solid job opportunities etc…  

The former poor and now homeless populaces of New Orleans will surly fill the Militaries recruitment quotas for the next couple of months. It all works out, America creates jobs and Americans are filling them. I see now, America has always been looking out for the poor; the poor just did not want to work.  hmm.gif

And what technical skills (ones that can be used for jobs in the civilian market) can I learn from the Military that I cannot learn out side of the military? Does the Military pay for all your school, 4 years at $20,000 a year? How much money does a soldier make a year – total?  And what happens if and when I get hit with shrapnel and loose my eyes, will me and my family be compensated for life.

And left vs right – America has always left the poor to be poor, America has always convinced the poor to fight our wars.


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Posted 09 September 2005 - 07:31 PM

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And what technical skills (ones that can be used for jobs in the civilian market) can I learn from the Military that I cannot learn out side of the military? Does the Military pay for all your school, 4 years at $20,000 a year? How much money does a soldier make a year – total? And what happens if and when I get hit with shrapnel and loose my eyes, will me and my family be compensated for life.


There are lots of technical skill that translate to the real world; it just depends on what you would like to do. To support the fighting folks takes every kind of skill imaginable, and military experience is a big positive to have on the resume when you get out. It helps get people hired. You can learn those skills outside of the military of course, but it will be on your dime.

There are programs that can get you up to 50K for school depending on what job you choose, on top of that most military bases have sattelite college campuses on them that allow you to take college courses while serving, getting much of the general ed requirements out of the way before you leave saving thousands of dollars. The military picks up the tab for those classes as well.

If you get hit with schrapnel and lose your eyes you get medically discharged and get military benefits for the rest of your life based on the pay you were getting at the time of injury.

It works well for some people, and that is why there are many volunteers. In my case I was 17 years old at the time I signed up and went to basic after my 18th birthday. There were many things that I did not like about the military, but in the long run it has served me well. I can honestly recomend it for people that have been made aware of what they are getting into(not just recruiters, but ex military as well) and like the idea of serving in the military.





Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 07:31 PM

ya'll like that 4% #... I'll bet about 4% of the military on the front lines at some point come from what ya'll would call "well to do" families.  Just keep on preachin that class warfare.  The ill-educated the left has produced will swallow it hook, line, and sinker while the left's politicos make sure it stays that way.  If they fixed it, they'd lose their constituents.


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Posted 09 September 2005 - 08:00 PM

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ya'll like that 4% #... I'll bet about 4% of the military on the front lines at some point come from what ya'll would call "well to do" families.  Just keep on preachin that class warfare.  The ill-educated the left has produced will swallow it hook, line, and sinker while the left's politicos make sure it stays that way.  If they fixed it, they'd lose their constituents.

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And again, the "left has produced the poor"..?

Please read my answer on the previous, equal phrase. Page 4 bottom page this thread.


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Posted 09 September 2005 - 08:10 PM

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free choice you say ...it this the only choice to a disparate man ...and your gov knows that!


Oh, really?

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allot of them are illiterate......................perfect for the army


Are you calling the army stupid? Are you calling me stupid because I joined the army? Interesting... I was quite sure that in the US, just like in Canada, theres a few aptitude tests to pass before joining the army... and reading is one of the required aptitudes. The US army is similar to the Canadian army from what I've seen, and in the Canadian army, officers have university degrees (do you?), and even NCMs I've worked with are quite intelligent... mostly college and even university graduates. Wheres does this stupid stereotype come from?

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allot are black.....................................perfect for the army


WTF are you talking about? Are you a racist? What do you mean black people are perfect for the army?

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lol the only joke is all the people in this thread crying about the military recruitment when they obviously have No Clue! Ignorance on parade woohoo!


Civvies really dont have a clue, and theres no real way to explain it to them because they simply wont understand unless they go through it voluntarily. But they dont want to, so instead they think recruiters lie and decieve.

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Now, signing up with the military will get them housing, paycheck, medical benefits for them and their families, and good training for future jobs. Listen to what I'm about to say.

Since this disaster happened, these things ^^^^^are what the public is demanding for the victims. IF they sign up, they get those things, and we get more soldiers. Everyone wins.


No. Its wrong to say everyone wins. Everyone has a *chance* of winning. They also have a chance of losing by being deployed to Iraq and getting killed... but thats the reality soldiers have to face.

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it didn’t take them long to mobile troops to destroy Afghanistan and Iraq.


Only took a few months.

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The military teaches you to stand in line and kill people – wow that’s knowledge. What skills I would gain.


*sigh* Civvies.... no.gif no.gif no.gif

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Really??? What if its satan offering his helping hand, would you take it.


Sure would. I wouldnt be committing a crime or any evil would I be? Hell, I'd grab onto a sharp blade if it was my only choice.

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4dplane I am with you 100% I would rather die than join the army.


Would you also say that in a time like WW2?

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Plus a gun is for killing, but i guess you can use it as a walking stick if you want to shoot yourself in the foot! yes.gif


You're just showing your ignorance more and more. Maybe you should leave this sort of stuff to the people who know best?

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Main purpose of a soldier any guesses?


A soldiers purpose can be anywhere from to kill the enemy to file paperwork. A soldier is anyone in the army. Once again, your ignorance is showing. The word you're looking for is: "Infanteer". They're role is to close with and destroy the enemy.

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And what technical skills (ones that can be used for jobs in the civilian market) can I learn from the Military that I cannot learn out side of the military?


Thats not the point. The point is you can either pay to learn them in the civvie, or get payed to learn them in the military. But there are certain skills and other things that you are unlikely to learn in the civvie.

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Does the Military pay for all your school, 4 years at $20,000 a year?


Sure does.

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How much money does a soldier make a year – total?


Ask an american. I only know about Canadian pay.

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And what happens if and when I get hit with shrapnel and loose my eyes, will me and my family be compensated for life.


If its anything like in Canada, yes.




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Posted 09 September 2005 - 08:17 PM

grin2.gif this is  funny!

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 08:45 PM

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   this is funny!

I thought you said it was funny?

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Yeah, it was! grin2.gif


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Posted 09 September 2005 - 09:24 PM

QUOTE(4dplane @ Sep 9 2005, 03:17 PM)
QUOTE(WannabeSkeptic @ Sep 9 2005, 11:34 AM)
[...] At every job fair I have ever been to, there have always been recruiters there.  Always.  That's just how it works here. [...]

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I believe it, and whom do you think they were recruiting - wealth white people from the upper 4%, or kids who have collage paid for by Ma and Pa, or people with solid job opportunities etc…  

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You know, I'm sorry if it ticks you off that little rich kids get "paid tickets" to college and great careers and super-wonderful lives.  Does it not work like that everywhere?  Of course they don't get recruited.  They have no need to go to job fairs.  Mommy and Daddy has their life mapped out for them.  

And whoever made those remarks about illiteracy and what I interpreted as "stupid black people", well, you need to crawl back into the hole you came out of.  That was totally uncalled for.  I can't say anymore right now, this is ridiculous. rolleyes.gif

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 04:28 AM

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I see what ya'll are saying that it's a job, dah dah dah! But Bush might as well say 'sure it's me and the governments fault for not letting Red Cross send the supplies to the Dome, sure we didn't think ahead-so for my mistake I'll just make you go to war and risk your life for money and your country to make up for the supplies I could have given ya. If your family needs medical and food and clothes your husbands have gotta put they're lives at risk,even though they practically almost did-or should I say I did.
That is what I imagine Bush thinking to himself.


What do they teach you people in school up in Maine?  Or is it the water?
Do you realize that you are completely clueless about the truth and reality of the situation?  You haven't the foggiest idea how the government works..not at the local level, not at the state level, and certainly not at the federal level.  But you should.  You should know how it all works.  Instead of just vomiting out the Hate Bush propoganda why don't you research the truth and find out what is real and what isn't?  Of course you won't...it is much easier to just rely on the media and your liberal friends to do your thinking for you.  Wake up sister...open your eyes...smell the coffee and find out the truth.  It is not what you think.  Not at all. no.gif  wub.gif

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 04:49 AM

QUOTE(Stellar @ Sep 9 2005, 02:10 PM)
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Does the Military pay for all your school, 4 years at $20,000 a year?

Sure does.

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QUOTE(Fluffybunny @ Sep 9 2005, 01:31 PM)
There are programs that can get you up to 50K for school depending on what job you choose, on top of that most military bases have sattelite college campuses on them that allow you to take college courses while serving, getting much of the general ed requirements out of the way before you leave saving thousands of dollars. The military picks up the tab for those classes as well.

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Well here is the down low on that topic

Looks shady to me:

“[…]Program pays for up to 100% of the cost of tuition or expenses up to a maximum of $250 per semester hour credit and a personal maximum of $3,500 per fiscal year per student.”
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“Montgomery G.I. Bill
The Montgomery G.I. Bill offers up to $32,400 in tuition in return for a three-year commitment on full-time duty. You contribute $100 a month for a year. You get $900 a month for three years, 19.5 times what you put in. A very handsome return on investment.”
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“Enlistees in the Armed Services who become eligible for their College Fund Programs receive up to $50,000 toward college tuition”
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Posted 10 September 2005 - 05:28 AM

I went to school at Purdue University where I studied Aviation for four years. Many of my class-mates were either ROTC or GI-Bill students and had no complaints money-wise. The kids on GI-Bill had plenty of money to spend on the weekends as well as the 17,000 dollars ( yeah, that's how much it costs to attend flight school ) per year for tuition.

I know that Armed Forces recruiters can be pushy but if you sign up and have any surprises then you probably should not be in the military anyway.





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