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#1    sanchera1978

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 12:24 PM

"What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality," she said during a radio interview with the American Public Media program "Marketplace." "And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them."

Those poor people in New Orleans are actually lucky this happened to them I mean they were poor anyway right who cares if they lost loved ones and everything they had.  

Seems the former first lady is a little bit out of touch with reality.  Now I know where her son gets it from.


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Posted 09 September 2005 - 01:40 PM

http://www.newsmax.com/scripts/printer_fri...9/8/84006.shtml
[/quote]Reprinted from NewsMax.com

Rescuing the Rest of Us
John L. Perry
Thursday, Sept. 8, 2005
As the carcass of what once was New Orleans decomposes in September's swelter, above that stench emerges the nightmare: Can the rest of America survive?

That is where the larger Hurricane Katrina story looms – out here across the rest of the country. The Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama coastal tragedies reveal but a fleeting glimpse of horrors yet to come but are entirely within the realm of possibility, giving a new, more-frightening meaning to the term War on Terror.
Horrendous as they were, the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, were vertical disasters. Katrina's murderous swath was horizontal, more like the footprint of a nuclear attack.

Before Their Very Eyes

The whole world watched as one of America's great metropolitan areas, home of more than half a million souls, was eliminated as a functioning entity.

What an adrenalin rush the desolation of New Orleans must have given Osama bin Laden and the boys. At no cost to them, this was just what they've always wanted – a major American city brought to its knees, its population dead or terrorized, every family in the land staggered.

What a cornucopia of options have been handed to al Qaeda – where and how worst to inflict their own next strike upon the Great Satan:


Perhaps a chemical or biological dose right atop the already-poisoned urban swamp?

Maybe a bomb here, another bomb there, along the levees, undoing all that the Army Corps of Engineers is doing to re-harness Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi River?

How about a 'dirty nuke' triggered in Denver or in Orlando or in St. Louis or in Atlanta? Or in all at the same time?

Would it be even more staggering to touch off a series of improvised explosive devices, like a string of firecrackers, in unprotected shopping malls, grammar schools, hospitals, movie theaters, churches, football stadiums, hotels and jammed freeways, coast-to-coast, day after day?
If Katrina could throw America into this much disruption, think what greater chaos could be created. Don't think bin Laden hasn't been thinking.

It must be of particular comfort to him that he is receiving such gracious help from the lunatic left here at home. Cheap-shot politicians are wasting no time crying crocodile tears for the TV cameras. Tin-pot second-guessers in Congress are taking turns blaming, even cursing, the president of the United States. Their hatred of George W. Bush far exceeds any compassion they might summon for the afflicted.

The Worst Is Coming

Katrina succeeded in flushing out of New Orleans a subculture of hundreds of thousands of individuals incapable of sustaining themselves. They were victims long before Katrina blew into town – victims of a government-funded, collectivized culture of incompetence, entitlement and lifelong dependency that dates back at least to the failed Great Society of Lyndon B. Johnson.

Now they are out of the only slums they've ever known, a Diaspora airlifted, bused, pickup-trucked and Amtraked across the continent, into city after city, community after community, neighborhood after neighborhood.

There are among this throng many fine, decent, hard-working, deserving, law-abiding, God-fearing people, but there are many who are not.

By and large the latter have no employable skills, even should jobs pop up and await them. They were on the dole in New Orleans. They will be on the dole wherever they land.

America's Authentic Homeless

Systematically non-educated in government kid-sitter warrens called schools, a shocking number suffer piteously from dietary obesity and other crippling inflictions. They have lost what abodes they had. With no money in their pockets, they have no jobs and few prospects of permanent employment.

They will be the natural prey for the politically unscrupulous, who will not shrink from registering them in their new zip codes while at the same time voting them absentee at their old, water-logged polling places.

Yet, they must be fed, washed, clothed, treated, housed and, of course, policed. There is very little they can, or will, do for themselves.

Fret over them as their new, welcoming neighbors will do, counsel at them as the well-intended will insist, they are unlikely to become much other than what they are, what they have been socially mis-engineered to be.

Thank You, Karl Marx

For they are the latest generation of generations who owe their existence to a doomed leftist philosophy of government – still championed by one of this country's two major political parties – and subsidized by taxation on those Americans who have not yet been quite taxed dry.

Still, they must be taken in, cared for and, absolutely yes, loved.

Who's to do it? The folks in whose laps they have landed for heaven-knows how long?

Sad to say, it won't take many moons for the current commendable wave of sympathy and generosity to subside. As that ebbs, in will seep, then rush with a roar, a counter-tide of irritation, resentment and anger followed by fury. The dragon's seed of unprecedented chaos, anarchy and outright rebellion will have been sown.

Egging it all on will be the charlatans of racial hatred, both white and black. They will think nothing of inciting subcultures in other cities to protest, then destroy in empathetic futility. After all, if the self-elected champions of the afflicted can feel free to slander and curse the president, himself, why haven't they a similar right to play with fire where they are?

Personal Bodyguards for All?

There are not enough national guards and regular military forces to protect every big city, every town, every crossroads, every neighborhood, every front porch, every individual.

When the metastasized masses' needs and wants turn to entitlements and demands – from food, to shoes, to smokes, to medicines, to drink, to sex, to dope – that cannot be met any other way, they will be taken from those who have, or who appear to have.

When all this comes to pass, who will rescue the rest of America?

There is only one answer, the answer that has been there long before Katrina. The answer is simply: The rest of us will have to, for who else will be left who can do it?

But can the rest of America survive?

The answer to that question is what it has always been in America, from 1776 onward, and will be unto the unforeseeable future: absolutely yes.

Will We?

The rest of us can rescue America because this is America, and we are Americans, and there is nothing we cannot do as Americans.

In times past when this nation faced its worst crises, the leadership required to take America through to survival and beyond has always risen up.

If it isn't too presumptuous to say so, that is what this president, George W. Bush, is telling us. And that is the leadership he is providing.

The ultimate question, the one that no president can answer for the rest of America, is whether we will respond to that leadership.[/quote]


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Posted 09 September 2005 - 04:12 PM

Why in the hell do you make everything a left and right issue.. Dont you know how to be centered.  A stupid comment is a stupid comment I could care less if its a rep or dem or anyone else who says it.

keep on blaming the media its all their fault they only exist to hamper the great job Bush is doing for this country



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Posted 09 September 2005 - 04:18 PM

Sanchera, it isn't just Texas.  I'm in Florida, and we have people here from LA and MS.  In fact, the majority of the people in the shelter here that I've been to are staying.  A few already have jobs.  It's a matter of "Well, we're here now, so I guess we'll stay".  They don't want to go back and are so thankful for the welcome they've received.

And that statement, if it is true, is disgusting. thumbsup.gif Implying they're better off now than they were. rolleyes.gif

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 04:34 PM

I am selling a home this weekend to a New Orleans person that lost their home. They are moving up here to north Texas and not looking back.

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 04:40 PM

What a White House b****, where were her writers on this one! Texas blows anyway! But I'm glad the survivors have found refuge, too bad they could never get the life they once had and cherish, but have to settle with gun tooting boring dumb Texas.


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Posted 09 September 2005 - 04:52 PM

well, going by memory of an audio I heard on the news from one of the refugees who rode out the storm...

paraphrasing, it's been a few days, but the reporter asked him something along the lines of how it's affected his life...

He said something like 'before the storm I didn't have nothin, now I've got me a little somthin somethin y'know?'

So apparently, some of the refugees think this was a good thing too...


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Posted 09 September 2005 - 05:10 PM

I think its great that so many states are doing their best to help out the victims of such a horrible event.  We are getting some here in colorado too. They just had a donation drive at one of the Nightclubs here for the people getting relocated to colorado to get food and clothes.  

I dont blame them for not wanting to go back I know I wouldnt there's always the possibility another hurricane may hit at anytime.

And yes her statement is indeed true.  But of course since its a bad thing i am sure Celumanz will just blame the leftist media for trying to smear the Bush's good name again instead of wondering why someone would say such a bad thing,  it's not Mrs.Bush fault she makes idiotic statements its the media's fault for being their to record it. How dare they show us such things.  rolleyes.gif

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/06/katrina.p...s.ap/index.html

Wow you really amaze me Celumnaz your actually defending her statement huh!   rolleyes.gif

I guess that really shouldnt surprise me seeing where you get your news from. (NEWSMAX.COM).. some of the stuff on that site makes me sick. Since when did America belong to Bush. Did you buy one of those nice coffee mugs...




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Posted 09 September 2005 - 05:20 PM

QUOTE(sanchera1978 @ Sep 9 2005, 12:10 PM)
And yes her statement is indeed true.

So you agree that what she said is true?
QUOTE(sanchera1978 @ Sep 9 2005, 12:10 PM)
Wow you really amaze me Celumnaz your actually defending her statement huh!   rolleyes.gif

Didn't you just say what she said was true?  That's what I'm saying the "refugees" *Themselves* are saying.  Seems to me all she did was echo what the people from the disaster area are saying about themselves.  Right?

QUOTE(sanchera1978 @ Sep 9 2005, 12:10 PM)
I guess that really shouldnt surprise me seeing where you get your news from. (NEWSMAX.COM).. some of the stuff on that site makes me sick. Since when did America belong to Bush. Did you buy one of those nice coffee mugs...

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I don't know anything about coffee mugs hehe, but what's wrong with Newsmax?  You ever look at it?  I know you'll agree with about 1/2 of it.  Like this, straight from Newsmax:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2.../6/222848.shtml

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Impeach Bush Now
Paul Craig Roberts
Wednesday, Sept. 7, 2005
The raison d'etre of the Bush administration is war in the Middle East in order to protect America from terrorism and to ensure America's oil supply. On both counts, the Bush administration has failed catastrophically.

Bush's single-minded focus on the "war against terrorism" has compounded a natural disaster and turned it into the greatest calamity in American history. The United States has lost its largest and most strategic port and thousands of lives, and 80 percent of one of America's most historic cities is underwater. If terrorists had achieved this result, it would rank as the greatest terrorist success in history.
Prior to 9-11, the Federal Emergency Management Agency warned that New Orleans was a disaster waiting to happen. Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project (SELA) in order to protect the strategic port, the refineries and the large population.

After 2003, however, the flow of funds to SELA were diverted to the war in Iraq. During 2004 and 2005, the New Orleans Times-Picayune published nine articles citing New Orleans' loss of hurricane protection to the war in Iraq.

Every expert and newspapers as distant as Texas saw the New Orleans catastrophe coming. But President Bush and his insane government preferred war in Iraq to protecting Americans at home.

Bush's war left the Corps of Engineers only 20 percent of the funding to protect New Orleans from flooding from Lake Pontchartrain. On June 18, 2004, the Corps' project manager, Al Naomi, told the Times-Picayune: "The levees are sinking. If we don't get the money to raise them, we can't stay ahead of the settlement."

Despite the dire warnings delivered by the 2004 hurricane season, the Bush administration made deep budget cuts for flood control and hurricane funding for New Orleans. The U.S. Senate, alarmed at the Bush administration's insanity, was planning to restore the funding for 2006. But now, it is too late. Many multiples of the funding that would have saved the city are being spent to rescue it.

Not content with leaving New Orleans unprotected, it took the Bush administration five days to get the remnants of the National Guard not serving in Iraq, along with desperately needed food and water, to devastated New Orleans. This is the slowest emergency response by the U.S. government in modern times. By the time the Bush administration could organize any resources for New Orleans, many more people had died and the city was in total chaos.

Despite the most dismal performance on record, Bush's homeland security secretary, Michael Chertoff, said on Thursday that the Bush administration has done a "magnificent job."

The on-the-scene mayor of New Orleans sees it differently: "They're feeding the people a line of bull, and they are spinning, and people are dying."

"They're thinking small, man, and this is a major, major deal."

It is a major deal, one that will affect Americans far beyond New Orleans. According to reports, 25 percent of our oil and gasoline comes through the New Orleans port and refineries, all out of commission. Needed goods cannot be imported, and exports will plummet, worsening an already disastrous deficit in the balance of trade.

The increased cost of gasoline will soak up consumers' disposable incomes, with dire effects on consumer spending. U.S. economic growth will be siphoned off into higher energy costs. American lives far from New Orleans will be adversely affected.

The destruction of New Orleans is the responsibility of the most incompetent government in American history and perhaps in all history. Americans are rapidly learning that they were deceived by the superpower hubris. The powerful U.S. military cannot successfully occupy Baghdad or control the road to the airport -- and this against an insurgency based in only 20 percent of the Iraqi population. Bush's pointless war has left Washington so pressed for money that the federal government abandoned New Orleans to catastrophe.

The Bush administration is damned by its gross incompetence. Bush has squandered the lives and health of thousands of people. He has run through hundreds of billions of borrowed dollars. He has lost America's reputation and its allies. With barbaric torture and destruction of our civil liberty, he has stripped America of its inherent goodness and morality. And now Bush has lost America's largest port and 25 percent of its oil supply.

Why? Because Bush started a gratuitous war egged on by a claque of crazy neoconservatives who have sacrificed America's interests to their insane agenda.

The neoconservatives have brought these disasters to all Americans, Democrat and Republican alike. Now, they must be held accountable. Bush and his neoconservatives are guilty of criminal negligence and must be prosecuted.

What will it take for Americans to re-establish accountability in their government? Bush has gotten away with lies and an illegal war of aggression, with outing CIA agents, with war crimes against Iraqi civilians, with the horrors of the Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo torture centers, and now with the destruction of New Orleans.

What disaster will next spring from Bush's incompetence?

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Yeah, Newsmax is really all on one side there...

And yes, I disagree with most of that article, just posted it to show what it looks like when you look at more than one side of things, like the Left sites fail to do even while claiming to be "open-minded".

Edit:
Not that I would mind Bush being impeached... just means we'd have Cheney at the helm.  I didn't/wouldn't vote for Bush, but Cheney... hmm... I'd have to think about it... probably not.  But yeah, go ahead an impeach him.

Edited by Celumnaz, 09 September 2005 - 05:51 PM.


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Posted 09 September 2005 - 06:10 PM

I was responding to a question from WannabeSkeptic asking if what I posted was indeed true! So i provided a link showing that the statement I posted was indeed a true statement made by Mrs. Bush.  I said her statment was idioctic why would I think the actual statement she made is true.

I apoligize I didnt read the entire site it does look like it presents both sides of the issue. I was going off the link you so proudly posted by John L Peary I read the other articles he has posted on the site and assumed the entire site had such garbage especially since i saw the merchandise they were selling. here's a link

http://www.newsmaxstore.com/nms/showprod.c...jectGroup_id=53

And dont be lying Cel i know your probably drinking some coffee from one of those cups as I type.  w00t.gif

What good does it do you to look at a site that has both sides when you probably only ever pay attention to the right wing articles?



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Posted 09 September 2005 - 06:24 PM

!!!!!  I never saw those mugs!!  I really like that map pic (supprise? lol) so now you might've just got me to part with $14.95....

I do read all kinds of sides (there's more than 2 sides).  Generally, I see a "news" event and form my opinion based on my humanitarian beliefs and applied intellect combined with what I've learned and/or experienced in history.  Then I go read what all the pundits and "experts" and such have to say on every angle I can find.  Just so happens that puts me about 180 degrees out of phase with the left that I used to be a huge supporter of back in my indoctrinating college years.  Now *that* was brain washing.  I really believed that tripe that socialism worked.  Live an learn I guess hehe...


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Posted 09 September 2005 - 06:34 PM

what made you turn sides then if I may ask.... I agree with certain issues from both sides. I dont associate myself with either side. its to easy to fall into either one of their beliefs systems when you do that, The only reason i said you were brainwashed is becuase you seem to blame everything that is wrong with America on the liberals or the left side. Last time I checked we had  Republican president as well as Congress so I dont see where liberals are to blame for all of lifes woes.  We have never lived a socialism society so how can you say it doesnt work. We live in a capitistic society where the rich will always rule the poor.  Is that really the society you want to live in?


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Posted 09 September 2005 - 07:25 PM

QUOTE(sanchera1978 @ Sep 9 2005, 01:34 PM)
what made you turn sides then if I may ask.... I agree with certain issues from both sides. I dont associate myself with either side. its to easy to fall into either one of their beliefs systems when you do that, The only reason i said you were brainwashed is becuase you seem to blame everything that is wrong with America on the liberals or the left side. Last time I checked we had  Republican president as well as Congress so I dont see where liberals are to blame for all of lifes woes.  We have never lived a socialism society so how can you say it doesnt work. We live in a capitistic society where the rich will always rule the poor.  Is that really the society you want to live in?

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We're gonna get more off topic than usual!!

What made me "turn" was life.  There was no one big moment, but somewhere between I guess 23 and 25 I started realizing how much everything socialists told me was just and only a feel good bill of goods.  I realize now it made me feel good about myself to be so "compasionate".  I saw how much it really hurts people, an actualization over time.  They do not hold a monopoly on humanitarian ideas or compassion despite their rhetoric.

See, you just did it.  You really think I want rich people to rule over poor people?  This is why me and the left will Never get along anymore. Already perpetuating class warfare.


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Posted 09 September 2005 - 07:48 PM

QUOTE(Celumnaz @ Sep 9 2005, 07:25 PM)
QUOTE(sanchera1978 @ Sep 9 2005, 01:34 PM)
what made you turn sides then if I may ask.... I agree with certain issues from both sides. I dont associate myself with either side. its to easy to fall into either one of their beliefs systems when you do that, The only reason i said you were brainwashed is becuase you seem to blame everything that is wrong with America on the liberals or the left side. Last time I checked we had  Republican president as well as Congress so I dont see where liberals are to blame for all of lifes woes.  We have never lived a socialism society so how can you say it doesnt work. We live in a capitistic society where the rich will always rule the poor.  Is that really the society you want to live in?

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We're gonna get more off topic than usual!!

What made me "turn" was life.  There was no one big moment, but somewhere between I guess 23 and 25 I started realizing how much everything socialists told me was just and only a feel good bill of goods.  I realize now it made me feel good about myself to be so "compasionate".  I saw how much it really hurts people, an actualization over time.  They do not hold a monopoly on humanitarian ideas or compassion despite their rhetoric.

See, you just did it.  You really think I want rich people to rule over poor people?  This is why me and the left will Never get along anymore. Already perpetuating class warfare.

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but cel, isn't it, or shouldn't it be a balance?
i agree with your point that a lot of lefties, have some sort of moral supremacy complex, as if righties are incapable of seeing how to help their fellow man.
but then i see a lot of polices from the right, which seem to benefit the few, and not the majority, because the majority of those doing the working and living, and dying in every community in the u.s. or canada, are not very rich, and go from paycheck to paycheck, and the price of gas really has an effect on the economics of the family.
on this thread one point that would give the lefties ammo for moral supremacy would be the comment from the guy who said he had nothing, but now has something.
someone from the left might say, "so it took a tragedy this big to assist the working poor, the right did nothing for these people until now"
these imbalances show up all the time, and it wouldn't it be good if we could all be well off, instead of %1 of the population.
personally, i don't need 8 cars, 3 houses, 2 divorces, and 1 snotty spoiled kid.

the left has no hold on moral supremacy, and the right does not have the answers to make the system work, but somewhere in the mix, is the way.

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 07:54 PM

QUOTE(jeceris @ Sep 9 2005, 02:48 PM)
but cel, isn't it, or shouldn't it be a balance?
i agree with your point that a lot of lefties, have some sort of moral supremacy complex, as if righties are incapable of seeing how to help their fellow man.
but then i see a lot of polices from the right, which seem to benefit the few, and not the majority, because the majority of those doing the working and living, and dying in every community in the u.s. or canada, are not very rich, and go from paycheck to paycheck, and the price of gas really has an effect on the economics of the family.
on this thread one point that would give the lefties ammo for moral supremacy would be the comment from the guy who said he had nothing, but now has something.
someone from the left might say, "so it took a tragedy this big to assist the working poor, the right did nothing for these people until now"
these imbalances show up all the time, and it wouldn't it be good if we could all be well off, instead of %1 of the population.
personally, i don't need 8 cars, 3 houses, 2 divorces, and 1 snotty spoiled kid.

the left has no hold on moral supremacy, and the right does not have the answers to make the system work, but somewhere in the mix, is the way.

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Now *That* I can agree with.  Yes.

Edit:
Just to avoid confusion, it's the 1st and last sentences that I agree with.  The rest while I can understand the point of view, I disagree with it.  Not in my heart, but in my head.

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