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#46    FrothyDog

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 01:46 AM

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how can anyone not like the edmontosaurus?  it's like the spirit of a giant puppy dog in the body of a giant rubber duckie.  with a few minor changes, of course.


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Posted 12 October 2005 - 11:55 AM

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 10:03 PM

hey, i have that pic on my comp...its from artist JIm Marshalll...its not walking on water, its puddles after a storm....

Edmontonsaurus was not like a PUPPY DOG!!! Dinosaurs did not behave like those....they just don't goes romping around...Edmontonsaurus was a large, gentle herbivore that moved leisurely in herds, unless it sensed danger

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 10:06 PM

Draconic Chronicler, forget JP!!!!!

We cant trust some scholars who just say that the Berlin Specimen was 65 feet long! It was measure at 45...unless  the skeleton grew, or the scholars exaggurated...it could not be 65 feet!
I have never read that the Berlin specimen was proved a juvenile...may i ask, can I read the source (if any) where you got that information?

"Some paleonotologists are as "big a kid" as anyone else, and I am aware of those who are now trying to dispute this, wanting their favorite theropod to be "biggest" even if it obviously isn't."
Can't I just apply that to you and other "pro-spinosaurus" paleontologists? And my favorite theropod was Saurophaganx....If i wanted to, I could say thats the biggest, because of scientists "rough" estimates calculated it  at over 50 feet...but I am not taking that until it is proven! Just the same with Spinosaurus, until it is PROVEN it is the biggest, I wont accept it and Carchadontosaurus will still be the "largest"
THATS WHY I am asking for your sources (if any) that say "Spinosaurus....65 ft...juvenile" I really want to read those....

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Posted 13 October 2005 - 11:15 PM

Frogfish,
In Gregory Paul's Predatory Dinosaurs of the World it states "Spinosaurus is probably the worlds longest Theropod" and that it was still immature because of lack of fusion between upper and lower vertebrae.  It was another book that extrapolated it was at least 65 feet since this "baby" was still was over 50 feet long!.  (which should beat both Giganto and Carcho, and this is still an immature specimen with more room to grow!

Add the largest jaws of any theropod, the largest, most powerful arms, the only thermoregulating sail, and the densest, strongest teeth, and you have the greatest carnivorous dinosaur ever discovered, and probably, that ever walked the earth.  Facts are facts.


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Posted 13 October 2005 - 11:29 PM

I say again, the Berlin specimen was only 45 feet long!
Until a bigger Spino is discovered, Carchandontosaurus is the largest ever...who knows, there might even be bigger predators...

plus, the most powerful ars are a throw-up with Baryonx and Suchomimus. And I would still prefer Tyrannosaur teeth to SPinosaur teeth for eating meat...

another thing...Gregory Paul said PROBABLY...so until a bigger Spinosaurus is discovereed, its not...Im not against You, or Spinosaurus, but Im going to stay with te biggest proven Theropod...
Seismosaurus was 165 ft long, and some scientists say it choked on a large gastrolith...some scientists also say that it could grow another 50 ft!
Thats doesnt mean its true...unless a 210 ft. Seismosaurus is found...

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 01:35 AM

I know they are not really like puppies, but with this picture i couldn't help but make the comparison.  he seems to be frolicking in this pic, and i can just imagine him running up to someone and giving that person big, sloppy, wet kisses.



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Posted 14 October 2005 - 01:37 AM

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i can just imagine him running up to someone and giving that person big, sloppy, wet kisses.


i can't...


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Posted 14 October 2005 - 06:55 AM

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I have read some rather naive comments on this thread that stated spinosaurus was a "weak-jawed specialist fish eater".  This is total nonsense, and based only based on the fact that spinosaurus has a head/jaw structure similar to a crocodile.  I wonder if these writers are aware of what big crocs mainly eat?  Basically everything in africa smaller than an elephant, rhino or hippo that wanders close to a watering hole.  And as for "weak jaws", guess what, crocodiles have the most powerful jaws of any living creature today, and very probably, the strongest of any animal that ever dwelt on this earth, because there were also giant crocs in prehistoric times that no dinosaur would ever want to tangle with.

The now famous duel between T-Rex and Spino in JP3 was created with the technical advise of knowledgeable paleontologists.  Yes if the same size, a t-rex has a weight advantage, but the spino would have a wider mouth gape, and much larger, powerful arms to fight with compared to the almost useless arms of the T-Rex.  Now, make the spino 25 feet longer than the T-Rex, like the original Spinosaurus Aegyptus, and the outcome is a "no brainer", obvious win for the Spino, for it now has every advantage, including weight.  And if it wasn't noticed in the movie, yes, this spino was considerably larger than the T-Rex.
This is very apparent when you see the full size robotic dinos side by side, and its larger size is remarked in the movied diaglogue as well.

Spinosaurus still rules as the biggest, deadliest theropod ever discovered, and with its huge croc-like jaws, and the largest, strongest arms of any theropod, is more than a match for the biggest Allosaurids like Gigantosaurus as well.  Some spino teeth have been found that suggest monsters of over 75 feet!   I believe the spino grew larger than any other known theropod because it apparently shared the same swampy enviroment as the gigantic prehistoric crocs, and had to intimidate them to survive.

Oh, spino is very rare, but their teeth have been found imbedded in the vertebrae of two different pteranodon, and bones of an Iguanadon were found in the stomach region of the spino relative Baryonyx.  They definately ate more than just "fish", just like crocodiles do.


Very true, but the JP3 movie didn't get the fight right.....Spinosaurus or not, if the T-Rex would have gotten a hold of his neck like he did in the movie it would be OVER!  The spinosaurus is a little bigger, but the T-Rex still has the strongest bite out of all the huge theropod dinosaurs....  So if T-Rex ever got a hold of a Spinos neck the spino would be dead, end of story....  Especially if he got a hold of the neck and managed to knock the spino onto the ground like in the movie.  In that way the JP3 fight was retarded.  But like you said, in a real fight the Spinosaurus would have a lot of advantages; but still, if it went down like in the movie, or if a T-Rex ever got a hold of a Spinos neck, the T-Rex would win.

On a further note, if the two species of dinosaur ever lived in the same region it's a lot more likely that the T-Rex's would be hunting the Spinosaurus's, contrary to what JP3 made you believe.  The reason for that, would be the theory that T-Rexes may have hunted in packs.  That theory is just a theory, but if it was correct, a group of T-Rexes wouldn't have a problem corning a larger (probably more slower) theropod.  The Rex's strength in numbers would probably keep most Spinosaurus's extremely afraid of a Rex encounter because there would always be the chance of other Rex's around.

But now that I've started thinking about JP3 and JP in general, I would just like to point out the fact that as entertaining as they are they're not very accurate.  Especially in JP3.  Like the Pterosaurs that attacked the people and tried to feed them to their young, lol, give me a break.  Why the heck would a dinosaur that eats mainly fish try to eat a human?  Let alone try to feed the much larger, still alive, creature to its' small young?  Another dumb thing about JP is the size of the velociraptors, which aren't as big as they're made out to be.  You can imagine the disappointment I had when I learned the terrifying velociraptors were only 4ft tall.  But even with un accuracy, I hope they do get around to making JP4.....there just aren't any other good dinosaur movies out there.


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                                 1. T-Rex;  2.  Giganatosaurus/Caracharadontosaurus (which I believe is the African counterpart of Giganatosaurus.....from what I've seen it's the same Dino but called a different name because it's on a different continent);  3.  Spinosaurus;  4.  Acrocanthosaurus;  5.  Argentinasaurus;  6.  Stegosaurus;  7.  Ankylosaurus;  8.  Torosaurus;  9.  Allosaurus;  10.  Triceratops

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 07:43 AM

Frogfish,
Thats probably the best Theropod book on the market, a definative, analytic catalogue of all types, with no speculation or agenda like Bakker.  This book lists the skeleton at over fifty feet plus the fact it is a juvenile.  You are living in denial, which is silly because their just a bunch of dead dinos anyway.

For their size, yes Baryonyx and others might have larger arms, but Spino appears to be a much larger species than Baryonyx.  There is no mention of the skeleton being a juvenile unlike the original spino, which was a JUVENILE, besides still being the longest recorded theropod ever recorded!  Get over it.

Essence, I agree that if a healthy T-Rex had the spinos neck it its jaws, it would kill it, normally, but since we are discussing a movie scene, and the spino broke free, we can try to find a logical reason, and  can surmise that the T-Rex must have had some malady or injury rendering its jaw muscles extremely weak.  Perhaps this is why it was interested in such small prey as humans. Would a lone t-rex in real life pick a fight with a 30% larger theropod, probably not, it would probably have backed off, just like "real" animals would today.  There is nothing to say spinos didn't live in packs/family groups, just as is speculated for T-Rex.

I agree  about the man-eating pterosaurs being dumb too, in real life they would probably ignore anything too big to swallow whole, just like aquatic birds with similar beaks unsuitable for ripping prey in smaller pieces.  Aquatic birds can swallow some surprisingly large prey whole, and I am sure some of the larger pterosaurs could swallow human child sized prey but not adults, unless some new super pterosaur is discovered.

I also believe in the first movie, the Brachiosaurs would have probably eaten the little kids in the trees.  It is a mistake to automatically brand any dino as a pure Herbivore.  Dinos are closely related to birds, and there are no birds that are pure herbivores either, except maybe specialist seed eaters like parrots.  Nearly all others, even if predominately vegetarian, will still swallow whole any small animal they can catch.  I have a duck that loves to swallow live mice, though they are mostly herbivorous.  That should be considered before wanting to get "kissed" by a gigantic, "cute" duck billed dinosaur, though to my knowledge none are large enough to attempt swallowing a human,  but certainly smaller animals, just like a duck does.

All in all, despite their errors, JP movies are still fun.  I'd rather see an incorrect dino movie than no dino movie.

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 06:55 PM

The Spinosaurus! was never more than 50 feet long!!!
it was measured at 45 feet!
I am not denying that Spinosaurus is a large Carnivore...it could probably grow larger! Same with Giganatosaurus...it could probably have grown larger too...But until for sure that the Spinosaurus specimen was proven at 50 feet..or another is found...the largest theropod is Carcharodantosaurus

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 01:55 AM

Frogfish,
The most comprehensive Theropod book available says its over 50 feet, and all Paul is trying to do is catalogue every theropod, no secret agendas like Bakker.  And he also confirms the fact that it is still immature.  What makes you think your "source" is more reliable than this highly acclaimed, Academy of Science scholary work?.  Because some guy who wrote a disney-type book about anthpomorphic raptors says its only 45 feet?  Paul  consistently describes every known predatory dinosaur.  I consider him a far more reliable author.


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Posted 15 October 2005 - 03:35 PM

I never said Bakker wrote that..I dont even think he mentioned Spinosaurus in any of his works....it is that there are MANY OTHER highly acclaimed scholars who say its 45 feet...such as Ronald Currie, the foremost paleontologist on theropods...Gregory Paul is outnumbered, and also, he is guessing that it could grow up and over 50 feet! Its called a prediction, and they don't always come true....

You say that Spinosaurus is still a juvenile? I dont disagree or agree with that, because i have never heard that information...but until an "Adult" is found, then the longest Spinosaurus is 45 feet! For all we know, Carcharadontosaurus could of been a juvenile!

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 02:32 AM

Frogfish,
If the largest Charcodonasaurus was a juvenile, the reports and papers would say so.  They don't, so it obviously wasn't.

They do say the largest Spinosaurus was a Juvenile.  Paul also says that Spinosaur was over 50 feet because it had more vertebrae than the largests T Rex ever found.  Maybe that will make sense to you, it does to me.  

Its gone know, so we may never know for sure, but the fact remains, that even as a Juvenile, it is virtually the same size as the largest Adults of all other contending theropods.  I am rather surprised that you don't "get this".


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Posted 16 October 2005 - 01:51 PM

as far as im concerned, only you and Gregory Paul were the only ones that concluded that Spinosaurus was a juvenile...No word from Currie, and other paleontologists. More vertebrae doesn't indicate length...that is mere speculation. many garter snakes and rat snakes have more vertebrae, and they rarely grow over 4 feet...
I say that until a larger theropod is found, we will never agree on this topic original.gif

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