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#1    Event Horizon

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Posted 24 September 2005 - 10:39 PM

I had a friend whos a baptist, over the last three weeks he went to a bible camp, but when he came back he changed completly.He started to say he didn need friends he had god and that if we would be his friend he would get us into heaven, and that his religion was the only true one. Now me being a christian thought this to be a joke and im thinkin baptists are a fundamentalist group rather than a religion.Give me your opinions


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Posted 24 September 2005 - 11:07 PM

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that if we would be his friend he would get us into heaven


The question you need to ask him is where it states in the bible the HE can get anyone into anyplace. THis is of course the assumption that they use the bible as their text of teaching.  

Each Religion, takes what they want and twist it around to suit their Idea of Christain beliefs.

If you take a look at any of the major "Christian" religions. They all have added their own ideals and flavors to the bible.  THere are things said in the catholic church, the baptist church, the LDS church and a host of others that are no where to be found in the bible.

I should caution you though, your going to get all those folks who are anti-Christian here to say that christians are nothing but brain washing hypocrites. And to a degree they are right. Many Christians are that way. But so are many Jews and many Muslims. But because we don't have those two faiths represented here as much as we do Christians, they don't bash them.    

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Posted 25 September 2005 - 12:20 AM

one strange church camp.
do you know what kind of baptist he is. there are several kinds.


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Posted 25 September 2005 - 12:51 AM

Isn't that the sales tactic of every religion "ours is the One true one" every friend i  have ever had goes through that phase 1st then its the preaching phase , then they mellow out its the newness of it, so hang in there your friend will relax in time. Namaste sheri




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Posted 25 September 2005 - 02:30 AM

Wow, that would be a tough one.  I would definitely not get into a "Bible-bashing" arguement with him, if you value your friendship.  Even when he realizes later he was wrong, if you argue heatedly, pride may prevent him from coming to you.  I think Sherri gave you good advice, wait it out.  Let him know everyone needs friends, even those who have God.

My guess is that he feels he has gone through some sort of life change and in the process is missing the most important aspects of life.  Give him some room and let him know you will be there for him when he needs it.

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Posted 25 September 2005 - 05:11 AM

First of all, not trying to disrespect Christianity in any way, this Bible camp sounds like serious brain washing. Who knows what goes on in those places; I would rather join the Taliban than one of those unless it was honest, unbiased study of the Bible.

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He started to say he didn need friends he had god and that if we would be his friend he would get us into heaven, and that his religion was the only true one

Then hes being selfless and selfish at the same time. If he doesn't need friends and only God, he may have a boring, meaningless life. If he believes it is the one and only True Religion, then he is being selfish by neglecting to see the possibility of truth in many other religions and focusing only on his, or himself.

I guess if it makes you personally happy, then religion has succeeded, even when many say otherwise.

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Isn't that the sales tactic of every religion "ours is the One true one" every friend i have ever had goes through that phase 1st then its the preaching phase , then they mellow out its the newness of it, so hang in there your friend will relax in time.

I couldn't have thought it could be said better. Although, some remain in the Preaching phase, and some remain in the "One and Only True" phase. Look at the majority of television preachers; they're not in it to spread the Grace of God, they're in it for money. Benny Hinn is a prime example.

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Posted 25 September 2005 - 05:57 AM

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First of all, not trying to disrespect Christianity in any way, this Bible camp sounds like serious brain washing. Who knows what goes on in those places; I would rather join the Taliban than one of those unless it was honest, unbiased study of the Bible.
I couldn't have thought it could be said better. Although, some remain in the Preaching phase, and some remain in the "One and Only True" phase. Look at the majority of television preachers; they're not in it to spread the Grace of God, they're in it for money. Benny Hinn is a prime example.



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Posted 25 September 2005 - 06:14 AM

well my opion is that he tryed to pick up the soap. and got something else in return from bible camp... crying.gif

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Posted 25 September 2005 - 06:48 AM

maybe jesus did something to him devil.gif,jk,i'm still going to hell


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Posted 25 September 2005 - 06:51 AM

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Posted 25 September 2005 - 07:48 AM

I'm wondering what Baptists are like in the U.S.  Over here, they are fairly conservative.  If this guy in the OP is only a new Christian, then it may be put down to simple enthusiasm as a person of a new Faith.  They don't know the finer points of their new belief, which can only come with time.

If this person truly sticks with this belief though, then they (and the church which instilled his belief) obviously don't know what being a Christian is.  Simple.

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Posted 25 September 2005 - 08:25 AM

PA don't take their  remarks as inflammatory, it is what one would expect from a 14 year old.

The point your making is valid. If the camp was used as a basis to convert a person to a sect of bastardized Christian beliefs, it would behove one to demonstrate the teachings of the Bible.

If it is a case of over exuberance, then the same thing applies.  It's an education into what the Bible says, and not the the doctrine of a certain church.

This, in my humble opinion, is why the Christian faith is so demonized. It is not the Bible per se, but how man has used it for his own gain. In my mind, God created the Bible. (I Know others will question and denounce me for it and that's just dandy. It won't change my faith.) However, man created religion.  I was raised in the Catholic church and left because I felt it strayed way too far from the teachings of the Bible into it's own set of rules and saints and such. Why do I need to pray to Mary or Peter or Paul to speak to God? The Bible never states this.
The Bible clearly states that no one other than God can bestow forgiveness, life or grace. There is no middleman.  This is the true test of a church's beliefs.

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Posted 25 September 2005 - 08:31 AM

True, stillcrazy - I didn't think about how old he was.  In any case, I've edited my post.

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Posted 25 September 2005 - 02:14 PM

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I'm wondering what Baptists are like in the U.S.  Over here, they are fairly conservative.  If this guy in the OP is only a new Christian, then it may be put down to simple enthusiasm as a person of a new Faith.  They don't know the finer points of their new belief, which can only come with time.

If this person truly sticks with this belief though, then they (and the church which instilled his belief) obviously don't know what being a Christian is.  Simple.

Regards, PA

id say most baptists in the states are conservative. i cant speak for all of them though. there are several "sub-denominaitions," southern, independents, and some more i cant remember.

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Posted 25 September 2005 - 09:22 PM

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First of all, not trying to disrespect Christianity in any way, this Bible camp sounds like serious brain washing. Who knows what goes on in those places; I would rather join the Taliban than one of those unless it was honest, unbiased study of the Bible.
I couldn't have thought it could be said better. Although, some remain in the Preaching phase, and some remain in the "One and Only True" phase. Look at the majority of television preachers; they're not in it to spread the Grace of God, they're in it for money. Benny Hinn is a prime example.

Brainwashing Full On! I think your friend needs someone to sit down and have along talk with him. Anyone who claims they found Jesus in 3 weeks at some camp where you spend time hiking and swimming is having a little more than just "a problem".






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