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If Dinosaurs Wouldn't Have Become Exstinct


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#1    Cadetak

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Posted 30 September 2005 - 03:17 PM

If Dinos didnt die would they have evolved far enough to be like humans? If Dinosaurs didnt die would they be more dominent then humans? Would Humans be able to evolve in this environment?

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Posted 30 September 2005 - 04:28 PM

who knows, some say that dinosaurs envolved into birds, but i dont really think they would of become like us. They certainly would be more dominant than us and we certainly wouldn't of able to become like we are today if they were around

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Posted 30 September 2005 - 05:38 PM

dino's were mainly instinctive creatures, until the velociraptor came along and were able to communicate to each other and form plans to hunt.

so maybe if they survived, they could have been intelligent such as us. (64 million years could do wonders for them, intelligence wise)

so who knows,

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Posted 30 September 2005 - 07:26 PM

The Animal X episode dealing with Lizard Man brought this up.  The velociprator-like (Velociraptors were up there as far as dinosaurs went, but not the smartest dinosaur, or even the smallest raptor) dinosaurs, they said, if they coninued along their evolutionary path would end up something like descriptions of Lizard Man.

The problem, though, that some had was how Victorian that was, that humans are perfect and all animals smart enough to at least drive cars would be humanoid.  Like on the show the History Channel had about the ones that looked for early ancestors of humans.  When it started, they all asumed the uniting element was the big brain.  Big brain = human.  

Very egotistical if you ask me.  

I do, however, think that if they had developed the intelegence to drive cars and so forth, they would need a way to manipulate their environment.  Cats cannot open cans of tuna, let alone put the tuna in the can in the first place.

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Posted 30 September 2005 - 07:38 PM

^ 64 million years would wonders to their evolution. thats not saying they'd become humonoid and make the same technology as us though. we only became 'humanoid' due to the fact that our envirnment changed and we needed to change to suit our life style.

so dino's may not have become humanoid, though thats not saying they wouldn't of.

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 05:36 PM

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who knows, some say that dinosaurs envolved into birds, but i dont really think they would of become like us. They certainly would be more dominant than us and we certainly wouldn't of able to become like we are today if they were around


though in water mammals would be still more dominant, we evolved o earth and didn't bother water animals for many thousands of years, and mamals took upper hand in ocean, but there would be no way for dinos "not to be extinct" because most of them were cold-blooded (please don't argue, I will outargue you for sure, trust me, there is NO proof on warm-blooded big dinosaurs), so, when climate started switching from cold to warm and so on, when Ice Age cycle started, they would die inevitably, you may say: what if Ice Age cycle wouldn't start, we;ll, then everything on the planet, except probably water creatures would die.



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Posted 01 October 2005 - 06:31 PM

Does anyone know when the first alligators showed up? I remeber hearing that they were one of the few "dinosaurs" left(at least from that time), although I could be mistaken.

I think that in regards to evolution, animals don't necessarily get smarter. The animals that live the longest and are able to adapt ot new problems are the ones that are able to reproduce more often; giving their traits to the next generation.

I am no specialist by any means, but I would speculate that evolutionary development has many paths, human like intelligence being just one of those paths.

BTW, I would love it if my cat was smart enough to open a can of tuna by himself. It would save me the trouble.

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 06:39 PM

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I think that in regards to evolution, animals don't necessarily get smarter. The animals that live the longest and are able to adapt ot new problems are the ones that are able to reproduce more often; giving their traits to the next generation.


yeah, i totally agree. I mean, we were not intelligent a few milenia ago. we were just curious critters (and we still are) and we evolved to stand on our hind legs so our front legs could act like arms, thus we could do more with our curiousity and figure stuff out.

Edit did I just say 'thus'  huh.gif

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 06:56 PM

I forget the name of the family of animals, but crocodiles, aligators, camans and the like belong to a family of reptiles MUCH older than the dinosaurs. In fact, if I remember correctly, proto-saurians (forgive me if I have the term wrong) are believed by some to have come from crocodilians.

Anyway, as far as what dinos may have developed into, I saw an interesting article that took some of the most intelligent dinos, the raptor family, looked at all of their features and presumed physiology, and began advancing it forward, developing them towards higher intellect. The end result seemed an awful lot like greys to me.

However, I do think the bird thing is much more likely.

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Posted 02 October 2005 - 04:25 AM

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The Animal X episode dealing with Lizard Man brought this up.  The velociprator-like (Velociraptors were up there as far as dinosaurs went, but not the smartest dinosaur, or even the smallest raptor) dinosaurs, they said, if they coninued along their evolutionary path would end up something like descriptions of Lizard Man.

The problem, though, that some had was how Victorian that was, that humans are perfect and all animals smart enough to at least drive cars would be humanoid.  Like on the show the History Channel had about the ones that looked for early ancestors of humans.  When it started, they all asumed the uniting element was the big brain.  Big brain = human.  

Very egotistical if you ask me.  

I do, however, think that if they had developed the intelegence to drive cars and so forth, they would need a way to manipulate their environment.  Cats cannot open cans of tuna, let alone put the tuna in the can in the first place.

i saw the special that showed what dinos would look like in a human form it was quite interesting to see and makes you wonder what would have happened.


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Posted 02 October 2005 - 01:02 PM

It might be a Victorian way of thinking, but you never know.  Sixteen monkeys sitting at sixteen typewriters will, given enough time, hit the right number of keys in the right order to copy an entire work of Shakespear without any mistakes.

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Posted 02 October 2005 - 02:24 PM

there was a theory by a scientist, that if dinos didnt die out, they would eveolved into humanoid figures, and be much more advanced

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Posted 04 October 2005 - 01:50 AM

If the dinosaurs didn't die out, we would not be here to debate the point.  Many people don't realize it, but mammals are as old as dinosaurs, though  for millions and millions of years they could achieve nothing greater than being bite sized rodent dino fodder.  So it is highly probable that even today, mammals would not have evolved any better in the last 65 million years than they did in the previous 200 or so million years, if they had to cower in the shadows of a world ruled by dinosaurs.

This is the problem with the idea that "dragons" were a kind of carnivorous dinosaur that survived the great extinction.  If that were the case, again, mammals would have remained small rodents as these "dragons" would have dispatched any mammal that grew big enough to look worth eating. Dragons could be explained however in the same kind of God enhancing scenario that created mankind from primates.  Many religions have "intelligent"  dinosaur/dragon-like creatures that are servants to a supreme being/God including Judaism and Christianity.  These kind of intelligent dinsaurs could therefore be controlled, and allow mammal evolution to flourish, and even assist a "God entity" in culling certain human failures, like the sudden disappearance of the Neandertals and somewhat mysterious appearance of Cro-Magnon/modern man.

Could dinosaurs have evolved into highly intelligent humanoid "lizardmen"?  This is perhaps where a creator entity might come in.  Perhaps no primate either could have evolved into a "human"  without some slight "product improvement" from what we refer to as "God".  




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Posted 04 October 2005 - 03:11 AM

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I am with the current theory that dinosaurs evolved into birds. I have been checking out all those new Chinese findings and it is fasinating. Intelligence does not nessarily lead to upright and two legs.  The octopus has proven to unscrew caps from jars on their own, which is something a chimp cannot do unless shown.

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Posted 09 October 2005 - 04:32 PM

What would dino's have evolved into? different kinds of dinos....

The evolution of dinosaurs is pretty consistant for 175 million years, I'm sure that with an extra 65 million years we'd see the same stuff... maybe they'd be a bit more complex, but it's doubtful that they'd be much more intelligent.





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