[RollingThunder06]

This may sound silly but I have been wondering about the Lutz's children. So many years have gone by without a word from them (that I know of). Seeing the ridicule their parents went through it would seem (just my opinion) now that they are older one of them would speak up at least once to defend them if this all happened. I am not saying it didn't. In fact I am inclined to believe some of it did. I know a lot would be at stake speaking out loud but it could be done through a representative so none of the childrens (now adults) faces would be shown or any clue where they maybe living. What are the opinions of why not one of them has spoken?

[SkullFarmer]

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This may sound silly but I have been wondering about the Lutz's children. So many years have gone by without a word from them (that I know of). Seeing the ridicule their parents went through it would seem (just my opinion) now that they are older one of them would speak up at least once to defend them if this all happened. I am not saying it didn't. In fact I am inclined to believe some of it did. I know a lot would be at stake speaking out loud but it could be done through a representative so none of the childrens (now adults) faces would be shown or any clue where they maybe living. What are the opinions of why not one of them has spoken?

I have posted a few times with Chris 'Lutz' (Quaratino) who used to be active in the old Amityville Truth forums. He had a website for a brief bit called "War on Horror" where he aimed to expose all of the embellishments of the horror story. Apparently he and George went into litigation over it and soon the waronhorror site was gone.

Chris said that George was a showman who pursued The Amityville Horror brand at the expense of family.

He also said that he had paranormal experiences in the house.

[thaimad]

Just a thought... wasn't the killings in the house the cause of the paranormal activity, this happened .fact. the lutz buy house where lives were lost (cause of activity) fact.
It is known that brutal murders can cause bad energy or what ever to remain.
what ever has been added to the story is hearsay... it doesn't change the facts.

[SkullFarmer]

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Just a thought... wasn't the killings in the house the cause of the paranormal activity, this happened .fact. the lutz buy house where lives were lost (cause of activity) fact.

I suppose that would depend on who you talk to. Mary Downey (link in my post above) says that the area immediately surrounding the house is and has always been a spiritual vortex.

One local writer (who looks non-credible at first until you look at how he cites his sources) says Amityville is a hotbed of weirdness and has been for many years (before DeFeo was born). Check out True Legends.

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It is known that brutal murders can cause bad energy or what ever to remain.
what ever has been added to the story is hearsay... it doesn't change the facts.

You mean added by the Lutzes or beyond that?

[thaimad]

I have just been reading 2003 interview by lutz , where he refuses to tell what happened on final day in house, why would he do this when , telling all before.
The question is was the house evil before the murders or as a result of said murders.
Hollywood is mainly to blame for embellishing the truth.

I guess like the late Mr lutz says untill you live through it you can not truly beleive one way or the other.
I lived in a 100 year old cottage that had doors that would open and close by themselfs.
and i would hear footsteps. This is a very small 4 room cottage 10sqm and just me living there.
Yeah I had ghosts.

[coldethyl]

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Putting myself in his shoes, I wouldn't have gambled my life for a would be ghost story.

But he did. I mean you said it yourself that he was a showman and that his son said he embellished the facts. I'm not trying to argue with you but I don't want to have to defend my opinion either. I just don't believe him.

[~Onyx~]

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I have posted a few times with Chris 'Lutz' (Quaratino) who used to be active in the old Amityville Truth forums. He had a website for a brief bit called "War on Horror" where he aimed to expose all of the embellishments of the horror story. Apparently he and George went into litigation over it and soon the waronhorror site was gone.

Chris said that George was a showman who pursued The Amityville Horror brand at the expense of family.

He also said that he had paranormal experiences in the house.

There certainly could have been paranormal activity in the house, I can't dispute that, what I have trouble with(as did Chris Lutz is seems) is the sensationalism and propagating of nothing more than exaggerations to OBVIOUSLY make a buck.....if that's not the case...why did Chris Lutz have such a "War On Horror"? Nobody else who lived in the house reported anything troubling enough to talk about...and definitely nothing on the sensational scale of "The Amityville Horror".....just a load of sensationalized crap.

[SkullFarmer]

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But he did. I mean you said it yourself that he was a showman and that his son said he embellished the facts. I'm not trying to argue with you but I don't want to have to defend my opinion either. I just don't believe him.

Well I've got nothing to prove either way, so we can just agree to disagree

I cannot see where Lutz could have been able to predict the future. I think no one human can do this with the exception of a very few gifted psychics (George Lutz isn't one of those).

I think he acted, in the beginning, like anyone else would in his situation. He bought the house, something scared him out of it (I don't think it was money). I don't think for a minute that slime poured out of the walls or that a black robed entity appeared at the top of the stairs or that a ceramic lion came to life and bit anyone. I do think they experienced something much subtler and were frightened enough by it to flee.

After that happened then I think what was reported was a paranormal cornucopia that is ridiculous in many capacities.


By the by, I'm not trying to be argumentative either. I like this case and enjoy batting around ideas. Thanks for participating!

[coldethyl]

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I cannot see where Lutz could have been able to predict the future. I think no one human can do this with the exception of a very few gifted psychics (George Lutz isn't one of those).

Well I don't think he predicted the future per se, but I do think that he had a plan. I think he took what he considered to be a calculated risk. And it wasn't really a no win risk if you think about it because if no one believed the horror story and if enough publicity couldn't have been drummed up, he still would have the house to sell or go back to.

[SkullFarmer]

Yep, I agree with most of what you said, Onyxdk. Your comment below, though, to me isn't surprising. I don't think any two people have exactly the same experience in any paranormal situation (or maybe even in most normal situations). If someone were particulary susceptible to the paranormal then they might get a much more dramatic reaction to something than would someone who is a skeptic.

You're right though, if there was a ceramic lion running around biting folks then you'd think it wouldn't limit itself to a single person

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Nobody else who lived in the house reported anything troubling enough to talk about...and definitely nothing on the sensational scale of "The Amityville Horror".....just a load of sensationalized crap.

[Fantasma]

Hi Dark Horse!

First let me say I also rented the remake and even though the original has that 70's cheesy way of filming I have to say I truly like the original for many reasons.

I do believe what the Lutz's claimed happened there truly did happen...I know a couple of years ago one of the detectives on the force that was on the case at the time tried to debunk everything that happened by saying that the Lutz's had been put up to it by a Hollywood Production Company for the popularity of the film when it was finally finished...that doesnt make sense on many levels and recently the Lutz's whom are now Divorced and Mrs. Lutz is suffering from severe Emphesima have come back to say that everything they experienced truly did happen and that for a time legally they had no choice but to let the rumors of them being a part of a Hollywood plot to just simmer.

You see once the movie came out and it was an instant hit, Amytiville no longer was the same quite little town in Long Island NY, there were Christian Groups of all sorts along with curiosity seekers surrounding the house on a daily basis day in and day out praying or just hanging out, other religious groups also participated in huge prayer groups trying to eradicate the "Evil: that the house fermented. The town was up in arms, the police there were going crazy trying to keep order everyday...it literally became a mad house!
The Detective that wrote all the degoratory stuff about the Lutz's was proven to have a personal vendetta against them and thus he wrote all the unfavourable things he did trying to make them out as shisters.
I was 14 at the time all this happened, I remember both the mass muder by Mr. Defeo against his own family, and I do remember some of the History, it seems that someone from Salem Mass (this is historically documnted) by the name of John (cant recall the last name right now) who was basically run out of town in Salem by its town people came to Amytiville and bought the house and property, there he dabbled in the "Dark Arts" but way before he came the land had been used by the local Indians to infirm their dying and sick and basically what they considered "Crazy" people in their tribe, the land has had a history of torment and negativity for many generations.

The Lutz's were this run of the mill family with little money and a big family that saw a bargain and jumped on it, they were aware of the murders there but felt they could put that behind them and make that place a home for themselves and their children, the Priest who tried to help them indeed suffered an array of misfortunate accidents and indeed went blind and transfered to an unknown monastary, the Lutz's lasted in that house for 33 days...leaving every belonging behind that they ever owned excluding family pictures in an album, they lost everything they had invested in. Being no starnger to the paranormal and experiencing a lot myself in this field I can tell you a lot of what they went through was very typical of a severe haunting though devastating as it was.
Everyone has their own opinions on the Amytiville Horror I am one of those who truly believe in what happened to those folks and my heart will always go out to them for the experience they went through.

Rent the original...its much more intense !

[coldethyl]

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Uh, first of all Mrs. Lutz (the former Mrs. Lutz) is dead.

Secondly this thread isn't about the movie per se, but the actual experience and whether or not it happened.

[RollingThunder06]

Thanks for answering that Carnivale. Do you think Chris (was he actually George's son, noticed the last name change) was saying that everything George said was true and that George played on it at the family expense or that only some of the things George said were true? Am very interested because this is the first I have heard of this. Have you seen the photograph of the little boy upstairs? If so, what do you think of it? Everybody's opinion is welcomed and am looking to forward to them.

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[SkullFarmer]

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Do you think Chris (was he actually George's son, noticed the last name change) was saying that everything George said was true and that George played on it at the family expense or that only some of the things George said were true? Am very interested because this is the first I have heard of this.

Hello RollingThunder
After George and Kathy Lutz were divorced Chris took back the name of his biological father. They got the adoption parts right in the movies

Chris's stance was that there were paranormal events that happened to the family. Chris himself said that he saw 'shadow' people. Paranormal events are notoriously different for each person who experiences them (we all have different filters) and I don't recall Chris ever saying that he thought George Lutz was lying. I think the media circus that enveloped the family once the news broke was what Chris was really upset about. I think the fact that it was allowed to go as far as it did with the national coverage, the ridicule, etc. really upset the home life of the family and it was resented within the family circle.

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Have you seen the photograph of the little boy upstairs? If so, what do you think of it? Everybody's opinion is welcomed and am looking to forward to them.

Ah, the infamous ghost boy picture. I have seen it/studied it at length. I think it's probably one of the investigators that was at the house that night. To me, the eyes look very clearly like glasses with light reflecting off of them. Some people are truly convinced that it's an authentic picture of a demonic entity and I don't fault them for thinking so. To me, though, it looks like a young lady with glasses on.

This post has been edited by Carnivale: 05 October 2006 - 12:40 PM

[coldethyl]

I think that the pic is someone with glasses on too. It doesn't look remotely paranormal to me either.