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#16    SerenitysRiver

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Posted 06 October 2005 - 02:48 AM

Monitoring phone calls?


*shifty eyes*

*has images of people listening in on my conversations with my boyfriend*

Boy I hope not. lol

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Posted 18 November 2005 - 05:08 AM

WOW!  Lots of speculation...but do you really want to know?

Yes, the government listens to your calls, checks your email, follows you and this is worldwide and Its getting worse.

Camera everywhere, they want to know...what you are doing!  

Have you heard of "On-star"?  On-star is a form of the mark of the beast.  They can track you (as long as your in your car) no matter where you go...

Sure, in a sense there may be some positive effects...you get stuck, in an accident, etc. just push a button and they got you, they know exactly where you are, etc.

Also, I believe this is in Germany, a store is now doing, I believe thumb prints...this the  mark of the beast.

Retina scans...mark of the beast.

Have you heard about Digital Angel?  They are located in Florida, they have come out with a chip, the size of rice, that they implant just under your skin.  This chip is just like those chips that vets put in your dog/cats and they can put your entire info in it.  If your pet is lost all they have to do is scan for the chip and guess what...if it beeps, your information comes up for them to see, same for humans.  

This chip is worldwide, they have been placing this chip in england, china, some in the US.  It is voluntary now...but according to the bible....will be mandatory later.

Whatever you do, DO NOT GET THIS CLIP FOR YOU OR YOUR PET!  You will be dammed immediately!  It's the mark of the beast.

Further, to my knowledge they that at least 3 supercomputers: england/britain, china area, US.  This computer is so fast that it can do trillions of calculations in seconds.  Mark of the beast.

Check this out....http://www.jvim.com

Go to their Updated Daily News....it's right on their home page.  You will be shocked....

They take headlines from around the world and match them with whats in the bible.

Oh and another form of mark of the beast is....did you know that target and walmart put little tracking devices on all their merchandise and can track their items in the store.  But as soon as you leave with item it stops.

They are looking for a way to extend the tracking frequency passed their doors to your house....By the way, I don't shop there.



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Posted 18 November 2005 - 05:13 AM

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They could be watching right NOW!


So? You have no problem with strangers reading your post on the forum, so why be any more concerned if the government was?

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Posted 18 November 2005 - 05:17 AM

The systems name was mentioned in a previous post. It is called Eschelon. It is used by more than just the U.S. I remember that Australia is one of the several using it. What it is supposed to do is listen to an unG-dly number of messages and then redflag the ones that use certain keywords. If your phne call includes one of the keywords then an actual human listens to the message to determine it's content and intent.

It is still possible to fool the system though if you don't use any of the key words. For instance, "The chair is against the wall" could be used as code for "I'd like another beer". If beer was one of the keywords, the message could still be transmitted "under the radar" and not be detected.

I should probably shut up here before I give some idiot a stupid idea.

The chips that Wal-mart and Target are using are called RFiD tags. (Radio Frequency Identification). Supposedly they are only on large bulk items for the moment. They do invision that, in the future, you'd have one under your skin and after you did your shopping you'd just walk out of the store. The store itself would have sensers that pick up your RFiD and tell it who you are. Your purchases would have thier own individual RFiD tags to tell the store what you're taking out. Then, the store would just debit your bank account. Pretty sweet, if not for the "Mark of the Beast" conotation.

Edited by Lord Umbarger, 18 November 2005 - 05:25 AM.

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Posted 18 November 2005 - 05:18 AM

You are not being monitored at all, it is just your imagination. Move along, nothing to see here...

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Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 18 November 2005 - 05:26 AM

^^^ Now that's a riot!!!^^^
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Posted 18 November 2005 - 11:03 AM

In regards to one of my recent entries to this thread, I give you a list of keywords that are supposed to red flag your e-mail, blogs, and telephone conversations.

And Eschelon Keywords
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The list below contains many of the keywords the Government Spooks search YOUR email and chat for.

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Posted 18 November 2005 - 03:01 PM

I'm sure if they weren't watching us, with that last post, they sure are now!!!

But I'm sure there's someone, somewhere that keeps tabs on forums like this as well.


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Posted 18 November 2005 - 04:50 PM

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Posted 18 November 2005 - 05:57 PM

And... it's all legal now. Read The Patriot Act. Citizens in the US no longer have the breadth of Right to Privacy anymore.
Art imitates life? Mel Gibson's character in Conspiracy Theory being tracked by the magnetic bar code in his dollar bills and when he bought a copy of Catcher in the Rye.... that's where our tax dollars are being spent.
Email, phone calls, Microsoft fingerprinted documents, et cetera....

Mr. Cheney, Ms. Rice, et al, when you read this, know that I see and feel, firsthand, through my 18 year-old freshmen students, what you have done to an entire generation. How do you sleep at night?    




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Posted 19 November 2005 - 12:19 AM

I don;t think that all of this could come about just because of the current administration. They really wuoldn't have had the time to put it all together.
It's more likely that each administration has added a brick here and there until now we see the wall. One certainly laid more bricks than the others, and one has definately laid the most recent bricks but, no one president can be held totally responcible. And I doubt that the wall is finished.
It will also take more than one president to take the wall down too, if it's ever so desired by enough people.

To most people the sky is the limit, to those who fly, the sky is home.
If you don't have brains, you'd better have money!
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Posted 19 November 2005 - 12:23 AM

Celumnaz:
You're probably right! Post number 22 probably set off every buzzer in D.C.!!! That oughta keep'em drinking coffee for a few hours!

Dear people at Eschelon, I sincerly apologise for my recent posting that has caused you to work overtime. Please don't "disappear" me. I won't do it agaaaa-

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Posted 20 November 2005 - 09:12 PM

As far as doubting what the government would or would not do, I have no doubts that they are doing everything imaginable and have secret technologies that would boggle our minds.  I am confident they know the day and hour you started your potty training and they aren't going to stop with that.  Remember, now they want to put a chip in clothing products that would also record your credit card information at the time of purchase so that you can be traced to wherever you are.  Big Brother?  No, this is Giant Brother.


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Posted 21 November 2005 - 01:06 AM

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...the system intercepts 3 billion communications daily, clients must know which intercepted communications to monitor before they can realize an intelligence advantage. For example, in the months before the September 11 attacks on the United States, signal intelligence produced by ECHELON developed considerable "chatter", or snippets of dialogue, that suggested some sort of attack was imminent. Analysts were unable to pin down the details of the attack, though, because operatives planning the attack relied largely on non-electronic communications. Even overt signals, such as a dramatic increase in futures trading related to companies that were to be damaged in the attack, failed to alert analysts, apparently because they did not know where within the daily deluge of electronic messages to look, much less how to connect the dots pointing to a specific attack.



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Posted 21 November 2005 - 07:31 PM

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I don;t think that all of this could come about just because of the current administration. They really wuoldn't have had the time to put it all together.
It's more likely that each administration has added a brick here and there until now we see the wall. One certainly laid more bricks than the others, and one has definately laid the most recent bricks but, no one president can be held totally responcible. And I doubt that the wall is finished.
It will also take more than one president to take the wall down too, if it's ever so desired by enough people.

Exactly!  Agree 100%!!

When I first started "becoming aware" about this stuff, I blamed it all on Clinton.  Then I saw Carter added bricks.  Then I blamed "Liberals", but "Liberal" is just a co-opted term.  Then, I blamed "Socialists" but no, I noticed there's some hard Right wingers just as involved voting for this stuff.  And then why do they vote that way?  For that specific agenda, or because they believe they're actually doing what they think is right, without concern or belief in a concequence.

FDR, LBJ, Ford... Lincoln...  Not ALL of them, but enough... and then, you look at *Congress* and it gets Really smarmy.  Should be a list of Senator Wives, Ex-Wives, and their business relationships.  It gets Super Smarmy following history...

It's up to the people.  At one time we had a semi-ok press we could turn to, but not even that anymore.  If it wasn't for radio and bloggers and the internet, Everyone would believe the lies the mainstream media peddle.  We as a nation without a doubt would have fallen for Kerry's "refined" poppycock.





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