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#16    bathory

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Posted 05 October 2005 - 01:32 PM

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Has someone say, its a little scary . It isn't enough trust in you police corp, or are they soo bad in their job that a law permitting civilians to shoot if they sense threathned?


policing does very little to prevent crimes like assault and murder, they can only find the person who killed you after the fact.


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Posted 05 October 2005 - 01:37 PM

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what happens when a paranoid loony does it period?  they do that sort of thing no matter the gun laws.

this will indeed make florida safer.  freedom = safety though it may seem backwards.


What I meant was: Now that the loonies have permission to do it, it will happen more often.

You can argue that it will make florida safer all you like, but there are still very serious dangers to it.


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Posted 05 October 2005 - 05:26 PM

First of all Kratos, I love how you call anyone who doesn't think like you crazy, kooky, or loony.  I get blasted for that, when ever I do it.  With that said, I agree with you, so I guess I'm not a loony  happy.gif !

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policing does very little to prevent crimes like assault and murder, they can only find the person who killed you after the fact.


Exactly, and if you want a cop around all the time you want a police state, where you have no rights.  Only the public servants or as they're called today, "authorities" (cops) can carry guns.

Imagine if we banned all fire arms. Anyone who had a gun would be considered a criminal. Instead of relying on ourselves for protection, now we will have to rely on the police to protect us from the criminals who own the guns. Who will protect you from the military when they dismantle the bill of rights in favor of a more secure military rule, after the next terrorist attack. Who will protect you when they come for you to ship you off to the reeducation camps, they are setting up. The only ones who will own guns are the authorities and the criminals. I don't own a gun, but support the right to own a gun.

But then again, those who live by the gun die by the gun. I will likely die a true martyr.

"The right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which ... historically has proven to be always possible." - United States Senator Hubert Humphrey

The disarming of legal American citizens, is the final step garunteeing a police state. Thanks to the controled lefty, Michael Moore, Americans think guns are out of control. Well, yes and no. You are actually more likely to be a victim of a violent crime in England then you are in America.

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Britain, Australia top U.S. in violent crime
Rates Down Under increase despite strict gun-control measures


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=21902

Law enforcement and anti-crime activists regularly claim that the United States tops the charts in most crime-rate categories, but a new international study says that America's former master -- Great Britain -- has much higher levels of crime.  

The percentage of the population that suffered "contact crime" in England and Wales was 3.6 percent, compared with 1.9 percent in the United States and 0.4 percent in Japan.

Analysts in the U.S. were quick to point out that all of the other industrialized nations included in the survey had stringent gun-control laws, but were overall much more violent than the U.S.


People here don't understand the concept of gradualism. The slow and steady chipping away of our constitutional rights. What happens after they ban guns? Do you think it will stop there? Hell no! Do you know in England, they are trying to ban kitchen knives becuase they are used in crimes in place of guns.

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Doctors' kitchen knives ban call

A&E doctors are calling for a ban on long pointed kitchen knives to reduce deaths from stabbing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all.  

They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.


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Posted 05 October 2005 - 05:39 PM

What you're calling "gradualism" I've been calling incrementalism for years.  But yeah, agree with what you're saying.


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Posted 05 October 2005 - 10:06 PM

I'm so glad I live in texas, cause here Texas when you turn old enough you just dont get a car, you get a .45 M1911 laugh.gif

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Posted 05 October 2005 - 10:27 PM

Ah good.. population control laws in effect.

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Posted 05 October 2005 - 10:32 PM

Florida state law prohibits all felons from possessing a firearm.
All others may pay for a permit to carry a concealed gun.
Jeb Bush states that Florida's crime rate has significantly dropped
during his administration.
Carjacking has dropped way down.


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Posted 05 October 2005 - 10:35 PM

nice.. *ehem* avatar...  rolleyes.gif

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Posted 05 October 2005 - 10:51 PM

I agree but I get the feeling it wont last long .. children do visit this site often..


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Posted 06 October 2005 - 12:17 AM

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I agree but I get the feeling it wont last long .. children do visit this site often..


*was being sarcastic*  X)

and you were right.. it didn't

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Posted 06 October 2005 - 12:36 PM

Colorado has the Make My Day Law which is similar to this. If anyone breaks into your home, you can legally blow them away. Personally I like it, because if anyone breaks into my home they leave feet first.

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Posted 06 October 2005 - 05:16 PM

I think this law is great.  Hopefully there'll be a drop in crime that'll validate it, though I'm sure the leftest wackos will still find a way to denigrate it.  Even if not, at least ones rights to protection are no longer being tread upon by socialists.  This and the Supreme court openings bring hope to this country.
And to dwell on the "looney with a gun" scenario begs the question, should we ban cars because a looney psychopath might run over someone?  Or maybe hammers because someone might get killed because they want to cuddle after sex.

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Posted 06 October 2005 - 06:42 PM

Yes, it is a scary thought.  But what if someone went to Florida & didn't know about the law & threatened someone?  Could the state be sued for not informing visitors to their state?  I could honestly see that happening.

It is a real double-edged sword.  Yes, we do have police officers to help prevent & deter crime, but like was mentioned they cannot possibly be everywhere.  If some looney is threatening you...what are you going to do?  Besides you never really know what someone may do or what weapons they may be carrying.

Here's a case for you...

My hubby & I were in the motel biz in a famous tourist town here in CA.  He was threatened one night by a "guest" of the motel.  Well, it took the police 25 minutes to get there!!!  Here's the kicker...THE POLICE DEPT. WAS LOCATED JUST ACROSS THE STREET!!!    blink.gif  blink.gif (No, hubby wasn't carrying a weapon of any kind)

Great!!!  He coulda been laying in apool of blood dying whie they tried to make the 30 second walk from their head quarters!! no.gif

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Posted 06 October 2005 - 07:52 PM

If someone goes to Florida and threatens someone with bodily harm, and they get shot, they got what they deserved.  One couldn't sue a state over something like this, would go against state rights.


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Posted 07 October 2005 - 03:04 AM

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The disarming of legal American citizens, is the final step garunteeing a police state.

You say that this banning of guns would be the final step before you have a total police state.  Is there really that little faith in your government to think that they are just waiting to take away your rights and freedoms in the name of protection?

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if you want a cop around all the time you want a police state, where you have no rights. Only the public servants or as they're called today, "authorities" (cops) can carry guns.

Things really arenít as black and white as that in the real world.  I like to see a police presence every now and then, but that doesnít mean I also want to see civilians carrying guns around too in the places police are lacking.  

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Who will protect you from the military when they dismantle the bill of rights in favor of a more secure military rule, after the next terrorist attack.

I donít think your .44 is going to save you if the government really wanted to enforce itís will.. The gun culture in the States is too well entrenched into the National psyche for it to be reversed, and so we can only look at not making things worse.  Therefore in that regard this is definitely a step in the wrong direction.  What comes after this? If you can now shoot when you feel threatened, how about shooting if youíre being tailgated, isnít that a threatening situation?

The crime has to fit the punishment; and believe it or not, not every criminal deserves to be shot.  More faith has to be put into the judiciary here; it is NOT the role of the civilian to act as judge, jury and executioner, and while I believe u should have the right to defend yourself, you do not have the right to kill someone because you might feel threatened.

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The Florida tourism industry, however, is taking the campaign seriously. Visit Florida, the state's official tourism marketing arm, issued a statement calling Florida "a very safe and secure destination that excels in caring for its visitors.

If they truly believed this, then there would be no need for such a law to be passed.

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I bet it is even scarier to have to live in fear to run away.

Thatís the whole point though, what this bill is ultimately going to do is to create a culture of fear for your fellow man.  Fear that heaven forbid you might come across threatening one day and heís going to blast you to pieces.  I think the law enforcing should be left to the police, and not taken into your own hands.  

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I think you should have a right to defend yourself.

Noone is saying you donít have that right; but if someone is trying to steal your car, and you blow him apart; does the punishment really fit the crime?  There is a reason the judicial system exists; so there is no need for the civilians to dish out their own brand of justice.  This bill seems to want to encourage a vigilante society. hmm.gif

I found another interesting article about this bill being passed HERE

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"Under the wording of this bill, somebody could go onto any of the streets and if they think somebody is walking toward them in a threatening fashion, they can pull out a gun and begin blasting away," said Sen. Steven Geller, D-Hallandale Beach, who sought unsuccessfully to amend the bill on Tuesday.

"We're heading towards a Wild West mentality," Geller said. "I am concerned that you could literally have two guys standing on the street, both of them ready, the guns at their side, and then say 'Well the other guy threatened me so I pulled a gun and shot him in self defense.'


I think this Bill is way too vague in what it is proposing.  'Threatening' can be interpreted many ways.  ĎLife threateningí however is a bit more specific.  

From www.justfacts.com:

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When citizens use guns for protection from criminals, the criminal is wounded in about 1 out of every 100 instances, and the criminal is killed in about 1 out of every 1000 instances.


I think the stats are quite interesting.  It seems that the deterrent of having guns works, yet people canít seem to shoot their criminals too well. tongue.gif  

Sorry about the 'quote, reply' disection technique. These are just some thoughts I feel on the matter. I donít wish to start a Ďshould guns be bannedí debate on the issue, as thatís not what Iím advocating either, I just wanted to pen down some points.  

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