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Posted 06 October 2005 - 11:59 AM

Here is a new tidbit:

Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible

By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent

THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.

The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the Bible.
“We should not expect to find in Scripture full scientific accuracy or complete historical precision,” they say in The Gift of Scripture.

The document is timely, coming as it does amid the rise of the religious Right, in particular in the US.

Some Christians want a literal interpretation of the story of creation, as told in Genesis, taught alongside Darwin’s theory of evolution in schools, believing “intelligent design” to be an equally plausible theory of how the world began.

But the first 11 chapters of Genesis, in which two different and at times conflicting stories of creation are told, are among those that this country’s Catholic bishops insist cannot be “historical”. At most, they say, they may contain “historical traces”.
The document shows how far the Catholic Church has come since the 17th century, when Galileo was condemned as a heretic for flouting a near-universal belief in the divine inspiration of the Bible by advocating the Copernican view of the solar system. Only a century ago, Pope Pius X condemned Modernist Catholic scholars who adapted historical-critical methods of analyzing ancient literature to the Bible.

In the document, the bishops acknowledge their debt to biblical scholars. They say the Bible must be approached in the knowledge that it is “God’s word expressed in human language” and that proper acknowledgement should be given both to the word of God and its human dimensions.

They say the Church must offer the gospel in ways “appropriate to changing times, intelligible and attractive to our contemporaries”.

The Bible is true in passages relating to human salvation, they say, but continue: “We should not expect total accuracy from the Bible in other, secular matters.”
They go on to condemn fundamentalism for its “intransigent intolerance” and to warn of “significant dangers” involved in a fundamentalist approach.

“Such an approach is dangerous, for example, when people of one nation or group see in the Bible a mandate for their own superiority, and even consider themselves permitted by the Bible to use violence against others.”
Of the notorious anti-Jewish curse in Matthew 27:25, “His blood be on us and on our children”, a passage used to justify centuries of anti-Semitism, the bishops say these and other words must never be used again as a pretext to treat Jewish people with contempt. Describing this passage as an example of dramatic exaggeration, the bishops say they have had “tragic consequences” in encouraging hatred and persecution. “The attitudes and language of first-century quarrels between Jews and Jewish Christians should never again be emulated in relations between Jews and Christians.”
As examples of passages not to be taken literally, the bishops cite the early chapters of Genesis, comparing them with early creation legends from other cultures, especially from the ancient East. The bishops say it is clear that the primary purpose of these chapters was to provide religious teaching and that they could not be described as historical writing.

Similarly, they refute the apocalyptic prophecies of Revelation, the last book of the Christian Bible, in which the writer describes the work of the risen Jesus, the death of the Beast and the wedding feast of Christ the Lamb.
The bishops say: “Such symbolic language must be respected for what it is, and is not to be interpreted literally. We should not expect to discover in this book details about the end of the world, about how many will be saved and about when the end will come.”

In their foreword to the teaching document, the two most senior Catholics of the land, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, Archbishop of Westminster, and Cardinal Keith O’Brien, Archbishop of St Andrew’s and Edinburgh, explain its context.

They say people today are searching for what is worthwhile, what has real value, what can be trusted and what is really true.

The new teaching has been issued as part of the 40th anniversary celebrations of Dei Verbum, the Second Vatican Council document explaining the place of Scripture in revelation. In the past 40 years, Catholics have learnt more than ever before to cherish the Bible. “We have rediscovered the Bible as a precious treasure, both ancient and ever new.”

A Christian charity is sending a film about the Christmas story to every primary school in Britain after hearing of a young boy who asked his teacher why Mary and Joseph had named their baby after a swear word. The Breakout Trust raised £200,000 to make the 30-minute animated film, It’s a Boy. Steve Legg, head of the charity, said: “There are over 12 million children in the UK and only 756,000 of them go to church regularly.

That leaves a staggering number who are probably not receiving basic Christian teaching.”

BELIEVE IT OR NOT

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Genesis ii, 21-22

So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept he took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh; and the rib which the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man

Genesis iii, 16

God said to the woman [after she was beguiled by the serpent]: “I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”


Matthew xxvii, 25

The words of the crowd: “His blood be on us and on our children.”


Revelation xix,20

And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had worked the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with brimstone.”


TRUE

Exodus iii, 14

God reveals himself to Moses as: “I am who I am.”


Leviticus xxvi,12

“I will be your God, and you shall be my people.”


Exodus xx,1-17

The Ten Commandments

Matthew v,7

The Sermon on the Mount

Mark viii,29

Peter declares Jesus to be the Christ

Luke i

The Virgin Birth

John xx,28

Proof of bodily resurrection

Looks like the largest Christian denomination is starting to see what we skeptics have been pointing out for decades if not centuries. Next thing you know, they will toss out the wash water and find that there was no baby!
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Posted 06 October 2005 - 12:17 PM

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The Gods (Elohim) abandoned the Catholic Church long ago!

In present times its priests are planning to make a TV series on “The Return of the Living Dead”

And he that overcomes, and keeps my works unto the end, to him will I give him (Lucifer) the morning star.

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Post icon  Posted 06 October 2005 - 12:34 PM

The Creator was never "with" any religion, therefore could not abandon any! The point of the posting seems to be that finally the largest organized sect of the largest organized religion of the world is starting to see that the skeptics have been right all along! It is, however, too little too late and won't forestall the death of the religion, maybe only slow it down - if that. - the Wolf tongue.gif

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Posted 06 October 2005 - 01:39 PM

Hi Mako,

The Bible is so open to interpretation. This is when people can use it for evil or superiority. But this is wrong. I am no greater then a gay, sexual immoral, sinful, or believers of other faiths.

We cannot believe what everyone else says about the Bible. Because we read it and apply it to our personal life. yes.gif
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Posted 06 October 2005 - 01:42 PM

Its nice to see that a bit of common sense is slowly percolating into their theology, but the "Roman" part of Roman-Catholicism is still all encompassing. When will they dismiss the pagan notion of elevating Mary to a mother-fertility goddess by just another name, and the host of other "Saints" taken directly from the panalopy of demi-gods that pervaded Pagan Roman theology before it overnight, by the whim of Constantine I, became Roman-Catholicism.

It might be a good idea to " dispense with all of the goofy "demon excorcising" stuff too, while they're at it. (Though it is great stuff for the "B-movie industry.)

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Posted 06 October 2005 - 01:44 PM

I never thought I would see the day that the RCC would try to evolve! laugh.gif
The next step in the evolutionary ladder for Christianity is.......
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Posted 06 October 2005 - 01:57 PM

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The next step in the evolutionary ladder for Christianity is.......

Deism? yes.gif
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Posted 06 October 2005 - 02:03 PM

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The next step in the evolutionary ladder for Christianity is.......
Deism? yes.gif
At least Deism has never made an outrageous claim like Christianity has/is.
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education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary.
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Posted 06 October 2005 - 02:05 PM

Mako
Could you please provide a link to this story.
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Posted 06 October 2005 - 02:05 PM

Exodus iii, 14

God reveals himself to Moses as: “I am who I am.”

I thought that was Popeye? huh.gif

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Posted 06 October 2005 - 02:19 PM

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God reveals himself to Moses as: “I am who I am.”

I thought that was Popeye?

No No, Popeye says "I yam who I yam"..... yes.gif
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Posted 06 October 2005 - 02:20 PM

I've always believed parts of the bible to be corrupt- and this is to no disrespect of God. So this news isnt really suprising to me. The Bible is a book of many languages and has gone through many translations and im afraid has been passed on to too many men through-out the times who could have corrupted some of it. Yet i still believe a fair amount of the Bible is true when accurately translated and understood. All in all not believing the Bible is NOT disregarding God- i still have my faith in God and follow my Unitarian Christian belief and this study didn't change any opinion of mine original.gif
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Posted 06 October 2005 - 02:32 PM

Good on you Mate! Would that more beleived as you do! yes.gif
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Posted 06 October 2005 - 03:12 PM

As per Turtles request, I finally found the link and here it is:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13...1811332,00.html

Hope that works for you - Mako yes.gif
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Posted 06 October 2005 - 08:21 PM

I wonder what the Pope has to say about this.
God found out about the Trinity in 325 A.D.

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