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Posted 07 October 2005 - 01:25 PM
I wonder what the Pope has to say about this.
OH NO!
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy,
education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary.
Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear
of punishment and hope of reward after death."
Albert Einstein
education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary.
Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear
of punishment and hope of reward after death."
Albert Einstein
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 04:21 PM
Taking the bible literally.
This would not be the first time I have disagreed with the catholic teachings and no doubt the last time.
One must account for the educational and intellectual level of the people that the scriptures were originally written for. There is a great fear among Christian writers as to not change the intent of the word. A fear that is instilled from the scriptures themselves.
Gal1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (PS. take note those of the Mormon faith).
It does present an oxymoron with the knowledge of today’s world. It would be much akin to you going back to those times and explaining the events of the war in Iraq for instance. How would you describe bombers, tanks, helicopters, machine guns and the like?
Or from the other perspective how would you describe tomorrow’s technological improvements to the people of today.
if I may go out on a limb for a sec, let me explain the following scripture to today’s world.
Genesis ii, 21-22
So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept he took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh; and the rib which the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man.
Remember that I am only paraphrasing as a demonstration.
So God anesthetized Adam so as he would feel no pain. And removed some cells and genetic material from his chest. This material He then cloned the first woman from Adams own body to be his companion on earth. He gave this new creation of woman the ability to replicate the physical attributes of both her and Adam without intervention from Himself.
So in concluding I would say that we are able to take scripture literally if we apply reason and knowledge as to the technical abilities of the people receiving that information.
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This would not be the first time I have disagreed with the catholic teachings and no doubt the last time.
One must account for the educational and intellectual level of the people that the scriptures were originally written for. There is a great fear among Christian writers as to not change the intent of the word. A fear that is instilled from the scriptures themselves.
Gal1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (PS. take note those of the Mormon faith).
It does present an oxymoron with the knowledge of today’s world. It would be much akin to you going back to those times and explaining the events of the war in Iraq for instance. How would you describe bombers, tanks, helicopters, machine guns and the like?
Or from the other perspective how would you describe tomorrow’s technological improvements to the people of today.
if I may go out on a limb for a sec, let me explain the following scripture to today’s world.
Genesis ii, 21-22
So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept he took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh; and the rib which the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man.
Remember that I am only paraphrasing as a demonstration.
So God anesthetized Adam so as he would feel no pain. And removed some cells and genetic material from his chest. This material He then cloned the first woman from Adams own body to be his companion on earth. He gave this new creation of woman the ability to replicate the physical attributes of both her and Adam without intervention from Himself.
So in concluding I would say that we are able to take scripture literally if we apply reason and knowledge as to the technical abilities of the people receiving that information.
All the Best
Irish
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 05:00 PM
Good point Irish, but you better watch out, you might become one of those Ancient-Aliens-Were-God types! 
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 05:14 PM
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Good point Irish, but you better watch out, you might become one of those Ancient-Aliens-Were-God types!
Mako Not much chance of that, but I do have inside information that there is beer in heaven. So I don't want to reck my chances
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 05:18 PM
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I do have inside information that there is beer in heaven. So I don't want to reck my chances
Spoken like a true Irishman! We Scots hold out for the fruit of the corn, the strong stuff.
Our earth is degenerate in these latter days. There are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end. Bribery and corruption are common, Children no longer obey their parents. Every man wants to write a book, and the end of the world evidently is approaching.
Assyrian tablet circa 2800 BCE
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 05:27 PM
The Roman Catholic Church is just a group of church people looking for followers always trying to say whats right and wrong in the "Lords eyes".
Why are people always trying to follow the Roman Catholic Church? It's cause they have the money and power and aswell government "sources" to back them up for every decision they feel is right for the world.
Politics should have nothing to do with Church. Horrible thing to mix together.
If anything most Christians such as myself feel that Politics has to do with that creature "Satan" with limited power that controls the world.
Get it - " The Roman Catholic Church is not the true Church"
Why are people always trying to follow the Roman Catholic Church? It's cause they have the money and power and aswell government "sources" to back them up for every decision they feel is right for the world.
Politics should have nothing to do with Church. Horrible thing to mix together.
If anything most Christians such as myself feel that Politics has to do with that creature "Satan" with limited power that controls the world.
Get it - " The Roman Catholic Church is not the true Church"
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 05:34 PM
IndigoBlade99 : Welcome Indie to the UM forum!
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy,
education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary.
Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear
of punishment and hope of reward after death."
Albert Einstein
education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary.
Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear
of punishment and hope of reward after death."
Albert Einstein
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 06:03 PM
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Politics has to do with that creature "Satan" with limited power that controls the world.
Satan (if you beleive in him) seems to be at least as strong as your God and maybe more so, so I wouldn't call his power limited.
Our earth is degenerate in these latter days. There are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end. Bribery and corruption are common, Children no longer obey their parents. Every man wants to write a book, and the end of the world evidently is approaching.
Assyrian tablet circa 2800 BCE
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Posted 07 October 2005 - 06:05 PM
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I wonder what the Pope has to say about this.
He'd blame it on someone.. like he blaimed the Hullocaust on the pagans.
When the Devil is too busy
And Death's a bit too much
They call on me by name you see,
For my special touch.
And Death's a bit too much
They call on me by name you see,
For my special touch.
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 02:04 AM
Actually Mako, if we are to believe the Old Testament scriptures, Satan has virtually no "power" at all. In the book of Job, long after he supposedly seduced Eve according to invented Christian texts, he cannot even harm a single human (Job) without the expressed permission of his master, God.
This is a far cry from Christian theology, because Christian theology is dualistic, and much an imitation of Zorastrianism. When creating their theology the early Christians required a substitute for the evil dragon Ahriman in the Zorastrian religion, so concocted their version of Satan to fit the bill, despite their obvious contradictions to the Old Testament scriptures. The authentic Satan of the Bible before Christian manipulation is little more than a reptilian servant creature of God that apparently delights in punishing wicked and sinful humans, but only with the expressed permission of his heavenly master. And his "demon minions" are just so much Platonic Greek nonsense, that of course, have no mention in the Old Testament, for they are merely another Christian invention to create a religion acceptable to the pagan Greco Roman world.
This is a far cry from Christian theology, because Christian theology is dualistic, and much an imitation of Zorastrianism. When creating their theology the early Christians required a substitute for the evil dragon Ahriman in the Zorastrian religion, so concocted their version of Satan to fit the bill, despite their obvious contradictions to the Old Testament scriptures. The authentic Satan of the Bible before Christian manipulation is little more than a reptilian servant creature of God that apparently delights in punishing wicked and sinful humans, but only with the expressed permission of his heavenly master. And his "demon minions" are just so much Platonic Greek nonsense, that of course, have no mention in the Old Testament, for they are merely another Christian invention to create a religion acceptable to the pagan Greco Roman world.
"No doubt but there is none other beeste comparable to the mightie dragon in awesome power and majestie, and few so worthie of the diligent studies of wise men."
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 02:29 PM
QUOTE(draconic chronicler)
Actually Mako, if we are to believe the Old Testament scriptures, Satan has virtually no "power" at all. In the book of Job, long after he supposedly seduced Eve according to invented Christian texts, he cannot even harm a single human (Job) without the expressed permission of his master, God
Actually DC it was God who brought evil on Job.QUOTE(Job 42:11 )
Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy,
education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary.
Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear
of punishment and hope of reward after death."
Albert Einstein
education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary.
Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear
of punishment and hope of reward after death."
Albert Einstein
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 06:36 PM
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Actually DC it was God who brought evil on Job.
Yes it was a test for Job on his faith, because Satan came up to the Lord and told him Job wasnt a faithful servant.
“And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God and escheweth evil?” (Job 1:8)
http://www.bookstobe...ein.com/Why.php
I hope this helps.
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Posted 08 October 2005 - 08:28 PM
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Get it - " The Roman Catholic Church is not the true Church"
Is there a true church?
Mathew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
This is the true Christian church. It is not a building nor an organization but a gathering of believers.
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Posted 09 October 2005 - 12:56 AM
I was just told by a Catholic that the Old Testiment is not part of the Bible it is the Jewish Bible. I almost choked on my soda.
The Bible was written my men of faith not men of science I am glad at least somebody in some kind of church is waking up to this.
The Bible was written my men of faith not men of science I am glad at least somebody in some kind of church is waking up to this.
