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#16    hyperactive

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Posted 03 November 2005 - 03:03 AM

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if you look at the success/failure rates of 'prayers', by your model then the entire universe is broken and in need of an overhaul.

prayer may be considered like thought, or like meditation, et al.  I would not let the fanciful idea of everything being superconnected take too deep a root in your thoughts though.  While there are pathways between everything, they are not all always active.  There is not always a connection between A and B, even though the potential for it is always there (and that potential is probablistic).

People tend to go to extremes on this stuff, either imagining a perfect world of pink skys and flying unicorns or a dark desolate world of suffering and termoil.  The universe is the dynamic in the middle, folks.


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Posted 03 November 2005 - 03:05 AM

wonder what people would do if they realised any concept of god  is just a metaphor for the nature of the universe, hmmmmmmmmmm.  I mean they didnt have hubble or super coliders back in the good ole' days, nope siree.

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Posted 03 November 2005 - 03:35 AM

I think the question remains.  If a wife knew everything (as many believe they do . . . . just joking) there would be no need to remind her of your love, she would constantly know it.  And each time we try to deal with this question by using comparisons, we only minimize an all-knowing God.


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Posted 03 November 2005 - 04:48 AM

The mistake most are making here is the assumption that the point of prayer is asking God for stuff, like a Genie in a bottle.  

Prayer is simply talking to God.  We talk to God through prayer.  He talks to us through His Word (the BIble).  Thus a two-way communication is made.  Thus relationship is born.  You cannot have relationship without communication.

Thus we pray as our primary source of communication with God.

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Posted 03 November 2005 - 05:04 AM

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if you look at the success/failure rates of 'prayers'

prayer may be considered like thought, or like meditation, et al.  I would not let the fanciful idea of everything being superconnected take too deep a root in your thoughts though.  While there are pathways between everything, they are not all always active.  There is not always a connection between A and B, even though the potential for it is always there (and that potential is probablistic).

People tend to go to extremes on this stuff, either imagining a perfect world of pink skys and flying unicorns or a dark desolate world of suffering and termoil.  The universe is the dynamic in the middle, folks.

Prayer success rate: That is why I said the universe brings us what we need not what we want. Two totally different things. Most people pray for what they want.

I agree that prayer could be considered thought or meditation or wishes. But I beg to differ that everything is in fact connected through energy (some call it God).

Who goes to extremes? The universe/God just IS in my opinion.

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Posted 03 November 2005 - 05:17 AM

hey rr, i knew you would reply with the 'needs' vs 'wants'!  laugh.gif  

I never said how things are connected, just that pathway potentials exist.  Perhaps our views are more similar on this than first appeared.  laugh.gif  

Sorry, you sounded like you have a 'peaches and cream' view of everything.  Indeed the universe 'is'.  It is a complex system at that too.  thumbsup.gif


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He who knows not and knows he knows not, he is simple - teach him.
He who knows and knows not he knows, he is asleep - awaken him.
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Posted 03 November 2005 - 05:24 AM

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hey rr, i knew you would reply with the 'needs' vs 'wants'!  laugh.gif  

I never said how things are connected, just that pathway potentials exist.  Perhaps our views are more similar on this than first appeared.  laugh.gif  

Sorry, you sounded like you have a 'peaches and cream' view of everything.  Indeed the universe 'is'.  It is a complex system at that too.  thumbsup.gif

Hey Hype. You are right, it is a complex system. We only have the effects not the cause most of the time like answered prayers for example. Religions were created to try to answer some of those questions. Science will take over from there I believe. Then we can finally understand how the universe works. 'God' will no longer work in mysterious ways.  yes.gif


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Posted 03 November 2005 - 03:28 PM

Well, I believe Deity is part of everything, and vice versa. Prayer is concentrated intent. Basically, it is a religious attempt to make a wish come true.

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Posted 03 November 2005 - 06:07 PM

The want/need post that rainbow talked about was a good point in my opinion. Alot of people only pray for what they want and then complain it doesn't come true.

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Posted 03 November 2005 - 06:26 PM

i dont ever pray i do think though but he cant do any thing for you. well u know what i mean he can help you but only in your mind and heart its not like hes gona come down to help you..............shoot sorry got ahead of my self dont say think


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Posted 03 November 2005 - 06:28 PM

[quote name='hyperactive' date='Nov 3 2005, 03:03 AM' post='914093']
rainbow,

if you look at the success/failure rates of 'prayers', by your model then the entire universe is broken and in need of an overhaul.

yea that is tru


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Posted 03 November 2005 - 08:55 PM

"everything is in fact connected through energy (some call it God). "
  some losers also call it the force  grin2.gif


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Posted 03 November 2005 - 08:58 PM

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If God is all-knowing, then certainly he knows your needs, your failures and weaknesses, when you want to say thank you, etc.  These messages would come from the heart, not from the lips and would obviously be known to a God who knows when a sparrow falls.  So why pray?



Matthew 26:41   Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.





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Posted 04 November 2005 - 03:11 PM

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Matthew 26:41   Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.





And it also says "Ask and ye shall receive."  Now how many really believe that?



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Posted 04 November 2005 - 03:21 PM

Well a wife who is all knowing still likes to hear I love you even if she knows it. And if a man loves her they will recive pleasure from telling her that they love her.  yes.gif

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