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#1    Zoso

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Posted 05 November 2005 - 11:01 PM

Being from the South, I was raised in an environment where music and spirituality were very connected. I grew up in a neighborhood that was 90% Haitian immigrants, whose main religion was tribal voodoo. I witnessed and participated in many drum circles, and came away from the experience feeling energized and spiritually at peace, even though I wasn't a follower of their belief system. I got the same feeling of elation when I was a teenager, when my mother made me play bass in her pentacostal church. Since then I have changed my belief system to a form of modern primitivism, but I still value the connection between music and connection to the universal "God".
Even in the Bible, King David wrote in Psalms about the importance of music in worship.

I have also noticed that this connection is very prominent in music that we usually don't see that sort of thing in---from Delta Blues King Robert Johnson to Bukka White to Led Zeppelin---all leave traces of the divine for those open enough to see it. But thats just my opinion. grin2.gif


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Posted 05 November 2005 - 11:12 PM

Great that you had those experiences. I believe that some music is very powerful. It can have an effect on the subconscious mind, and in some cases, leave you energized, like you said.

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Posted 05 November 2005 - 11:42 PM

I found this quote from occult author William S. Burroughs' book "Rock Magic", and I think that it applies here:
The essential ingredient for any successful rock group is energy---the ability to give out energy, to receive energy from the audience, and to give it back to the audience. A rock concert is in fact a rite involving the evocation and transmution of energy. Rock stars may be compared to priests...The Led Zeppelin show depends heavily on volume, repitition and drums. It bears some resemblance to the trance music found in Morocco, which is magical in origin and purpose---that is, concerned with the evocation andcontrol of spiritual forces. Gnaoua music is used to drive out evil spirits. The music of Jajouka evokes the God Pan, Pan God of Panic, representing the real magical forces that sweep away the spurious. It has to be remembered that the origin of all the arts---music, painting and writing---is magical and evocative; and that magic is always used to obtain some magical result. In the Led Zeppelin concert, the result aimed at would seem to be the creation of energy in the performers and the audience. For such magic to succeed, it must tap the sources of magical energy, this can be dangerous.

I agree with this, and I think that it applies to most forms of music, more than just Led Zeppelin.


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Posted 05 November 2005 - 11:44 PM

Excellent quote. It's impressive when a rock band makes a concert ritualistic.

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Posted 06 November 2005 - 12:37 AM

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Being from the South, I was raised in an environment where music and spirituality were very connected. I grew up in a neighborhood that was 90% Haitian immigrants, whose main religion was tribal voodoo. I witnessed and participated in many drum circles, and came away from the experience feeling energized and spiritually at peace, even though I wasn't a follower of their belief system. I got the same feeling of elation when I was a teenager, when my mother made me play bass in her pentacostal church. Since then I have changed my belief system to a form of modern primitivism, but I still value the connection between music and connection to the universal "God".
Even in the Bible, King David wrote in Psalms about the importance of music in worship.

I have also noticed that this connection is very prominent in music that we usually don't see that sort of thing in---from Delta Blues King Robert Johnson to Bukka White to Led Zeppelin---all leave traces of the divine for those open enough to see it. But thats just my opinion. grin2.gif


Someone once said "music is the heart and soul to enlightenment"! I believe this to be true, because we are all governed and guided by our  vibrational frequencies, and each of the seven planes into the infinity vibrates at it's own vibrational level and frequency. Thus we can also be conditioned and ruled by "bad vibes" (so to speak) I even read somewhere that some governments have what is called a project called" HAARP which is a amplifier of vibrations that are used by the ruling to keep the mass populus conditioned in their power. Furthermore in the 70's the Russians used this type of system on the American Embassy in Russia to the effect of having the staff at the embassy suffer severe effects. This was then called "The Woodpecker" and was not even known of by the U.S. at the time.

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Posted 06 November 2005 - 12:56 AM

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Someone once said "music is the heart and soul to enlightenment"! I believe this to be true, because we are all governed and guided by our  vibrational frequencies, and each of the seven planes into the infinity vibrates at it's own vibrational level and frequency. Thus we can also be conditioned and ruled by "bad vibes" (so to speak) I even read somewhere that some governments have what is called a project called" HAARP which is a amplifier of vibrations that are used by the ruling to keep the mass populus conditioned in their power. Furthermore in the 70's the Russians used this type of system on the American Embassy in Russia to the effect of having the staff at the embassy suffer severe effects. This was then called "The Woodpecker" and was not even known of by the U.S. at the time.

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Thats really fascinating stuff.
Hindu mythology tells us that the entire world was crated in one sound: "Om". Thats the sound that is chanted in Yoga, known as a Mantra, and it supposedly brings peace into your being.
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Posted 06 November 2005 - 01:03 AM

Which reminds me of God bringing about creation with the phrase, "Let there be light". Abracadabra means "I create as I speak". In my opinion, words, sounds, and frequencies have power. We just have to tap into it.


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Posted 06 November 2005 - 01:17 AM

Any Grateful Dead fans out there/in here? I don't want to post a dissertation about how the Grateful Dead (music and experience) capture or exemplify the essence of this topic if there is no interest.

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Posted 06 November 2005 - 02:08 AM

Thinking about it, I do take more notice of words which are sung, than those that are spoken. I was listening to an artist the other night in my local pub, and when he spoke, on a one to one basis it was a general every day oration ( no emphasis ), Then! He sung, boy what a powerful voice, he made everybody stop talking to one another, we all had no choice but to listen.


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Not everybodies choice of music, not mine either, but when you here it being sung you take notice. The power in the music and words over rides any preconceptions that you may of had.

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Posted 06 November 2005 - 02:52 AM

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Any Grateful Dead fans out there/in here? I don't want to post a dissertation about how the Grateful Dead (music and experience) capture or exemplify the essence of this topic if there is no interest.

I especially love the way that the Dead use music to reach a spiritual state. I saw their "rockumentary" recently and was totally blown away. I think you and I could get along!  grin2.gif


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Posted 08 November 2005 - 06:45 PM

I've seen live performances (many of them multiple times) of at least 100 different bands/musicians (The Who, REM, U2, 10,000 Maniacs/Natalie Merchant, The Clash, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, Genesis, Yes, Rolling Stones, Tom Petty, Los Lobos, Smashing Pumpkins, Elvis Costello/Squeeze, Keller Williams, The Cure, Bruce Hornsby, Miles Davis, Neil Young, Pink Floyd, CSN, The Police/Sting, Aimee Mann, Luscious Jackson, Beth Orton, Beck, The Philadelphia Orchestra, The New York Philharmonic, Yo-Yo Ma, Stanley Clarke, Phish, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Happy Mondays, David Bowie, Talking Heads .... just to name a few) and NOTHING I've experienced with these other artists remotely approaches the "je ne sais quoi" that happens with the Grateful Dead.

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Posted 08 November 2005 - 10:38 PM

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I've seen live performances (many of them multiple times) of at least 100 different bands/musicians (The Who, REM, U2, 10,000 Maniacs/Natalie Merchant, The Clash, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, Genesis, Yes, Rolling Stones, Tom Petty, Los Lobos, Smashing Pumpkins, Elvis Costello/Squeeze, Keller Williams, The Cure, Bruce Hornsby, Miles Davis, Neil Young, Pink Floyd, CSN, The Police/Sting, Aimee Mann, Luscious Jackson, Beth Orton, Beck, The Philadelphia Orchestra, The New York Philharmonic, Yo-Yo Ma, Stanley Clarke, Phish, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Happy Mondays, David Bowie, Talking Heads .... just to name a few) and NOTHING I've experienced with these other artists remotely approaches the "je ne sais quoi" that happens with the Grateful Dead.

I wish I could have been around to see Zeppelin play. I hear that they're the most spiritually intuitive performers ever.


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Posted 09 November 2005 - 10:21 AM

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Excellent quote. It's impressive when a rock band makes a concert ritualistic.


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Posted 09 November 2005 - 09:31 PM

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BLACK SABBATH!!!! OZZY OSBOURNE!!! HARD & HEAVY FOREVER!

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I don't see any spiritual value to Black Sabbath---they admit themselves that the whole darkness thing was just a stage act. Their music does rule however (well, their first two albums at least).   cool.gif


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Posted 10 November 2005 - 08:56 AM

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I don't see any spiritual value to Black Sabbath---they admit themselves that the whole darkness thing was just a stage act. Their music does rule however (well, their first two albums at least).   cool.gif


That's true that they do it only on stage, but it has a great impact on the audience. Like a crazy man once said: AND I SAW 17,000 KIDS WHICH RAISED THEIR HANDS LIKE THIS,
WHICH IS THE SIGN OF THE DEVIL, AND THEY SAID OZZY, OZZY, OZZY..

This summer I went to a Sabbath concert and it was terrific. From the moment Ozzy took the stage till the end I hardly remember anything. It's of spiritual value if you ask me. Or probably it's me being a fanatic fan of Ozzy's.

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