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Posted 17 November 2005 - 06:57 PM

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 07:05 PM

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 07:15 PM

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 07:33 PM

So according to your belief Silver Cougar, everything you believe in, becomes a god ?. So, I could take this pencil, on my desk here, and suddenly believe that it's a God, and it therefore is ?. If this is true then with 2 billion worshippers, I would claim that Jesus Christ and God are the most powerful Gods in existance.

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 07:35 PM

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They are?  By who?  And Christianity is the largest organized religion in the world!  Sounds like a lot of people accept the accounts of Jesus' life as facts.

Once again a Christian living in a delusional world of persecution ... when there's a freakin' church on every bloody corner!
Blatantly false!  Give me a break!  
Wish I could live to see the day.
Yes, we have seen your objectivety and definition of how "proper" scholarship should be conducted.  If it conforms to my religious beliefs, then it's proper scholarship.  If not ...

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Well... There IS a big difference between 2 Billion people CLAIMING to be Christians, and those who are ACTUALLY such... World's largest membered Church is the Roman Catholic Church, and though there are many true Christians within its rank, Many others are not, since they have believed in the peculiar Catholic Dogmas that do oppose salvation by faith alone in jesus Christ, and by His grace alone... Sadly, almost every "church" in the World today has bot saved/unsaved, as that depends upon which Jesus they believe unto, and what Gospel they are hanging unto too...
So there are many more true Moslems, pagens, other religious followers than true Christians upoon the earth, so do not feel persucuted, but do feel as though Christianity is the one religion that gets bad mouthed down, as it is open game to mock out truths and jesus, but Heaven forbid you mock Allah and Mohhammed!

And I NEVER said that good Biblical scholarship HAS to fit exactly my beliefs, just that one needs to do an Honest review of the Historical evidence/conditions/documental facts etc concerning Jesus/Bible/Early Church, and not as much of what passes today as critical scholarship does... They come to these evidences, already determined that God either does not exist, thus NO Supernatural to account for, or else that the Gospels in particular MUST be false and ridden full of errors and lies...

You accuse me of being biased to throw out automatically their conclusions, but why is it not true the other way, since they throw out valid points that show opposite of what they hold and teach to?


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Posted 17 November 2005 - 07:39 PM

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Yes Jesusfan this is a valid question. Do you as a Christian....believe and respect other religions?

Two seperate questions/answers..
Do I respect other religions? If you are asking to I allow for others to place their faith in them, yes, we all have been granted the free will by God to believe what we chose to concerning God and Eternity, but I do not respect/believe them as being equal to/valid as Christianity is, since Jesus Christ is the Risen Lord and Saviour, so by definition of truth, since He alone qualifies as the Saviour.Messiah of whole earth, than the Christianity that has one placing faith and belief in Jesus as messiah/God Incarnate, is the True religion...


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Posted 17 November 2005 - 07:42 PM

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as that depends upon which Jesus they believe unto


You mean there's more than one?   huh.gif

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 07:53 PM

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Well... There IS a big difference between 2 Billion people CLAIMING to be Christians, and those who are ACTUALLY such... World's largest membered Church is the Roman Catholic Church, and though there are many true Christians within its rank, Many others are not, since they have believed in the peculiar Catholic Dogmas that do oppose salvation by faith alone in jesus Christ, and by His grace alone... Sadly, almost every "church" in the World today has bot saved/unsaved, as that depends upon which Jesus they believe unto, and what Gospel they are hanging unto too...
So there are many more true Moslems, pagens, other religious followers than true Christians upoon the earth, so do not feel persucuted, but do feel as though Christianity is the one religion that gets bad mouthed down, as it is open game to mock out truths and jesus, but Heaven forbid you mock Allah and Mohhammed!


The only people who say "Don't bad-mouth Allah!" are the politically correct morons. However, we DO have a much easier time proving that at least Mohammed did exist, because the Quran is supposedly entirely his writing, we have numerous accounts from his contemporaries on Mohammed and his life, and we know when and where Mohammed lived and died. We do not have the same for Jesus, who left no writings of his own (only sayings that the Gospels supposedly copied), and his historical contemporaries, for the most part, left no note of whether he was really there or not.

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And I NEVER said that good Biblical scholarship HAS to fit exactly my beliefs, just that one needs to do an Honest review of the Historical evidence/conditions/documental facts etc concerning Jesus/Bible/Early Church, and not as much of what passes today as critical scholarship does... They come to these evidences, already determined that God either does not exist, thus NO Supernatural to account for, or else that the Gospels in particular MUST be false and ridden full of errors and lies...


You don't seriously think that the major Biblical scholarship, including the kind that criticizes the Gospels, simply emerged from atheists? The first Biblical scholars to engage in criticism were those of the Northern Renaissance in Europe, who tended to be very strong Christians. Even today, many bible critics come from theological schools and seminaries.

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You accuse me of being biased to throw out automatically their conclusions, but why is it not true the other way, since they throw out valid points that show opposite of what they hold and teach to?


Perhaps it is true the other way (although I am doubtful), but that does not validate your wall of ignorance.


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Posted 17 November 2005 - 07:54 PM

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So according to your belief Silver Cougar, everything you believe in, becomes a god ?. So, I could take this pencil, on my desk here, and suddenly believe that it's a God, and it therefore is ?. If this is true then with 2 billion worshippers, I would claim that Jesus Christ and God are the most powerful Gods in existance.



._o  where the heck did you get that from?   Intresting interpratation...  

No not everything I believe in becomes a god.  I have absolutely no idea why you would think that.  I was talking about the gods that existed long before the abrahamic one... the pagan gods of old.  Not turning a pencil into one.  Though I'm sure there is someone out there who has.

It's all within the human mind do they have this power.  You can look at say.. a beautiful sunset.. and think that "God" made it so...  Well maybe to you and anyone else who believes in the same one....  But to those who do not worship this god will say it's beauty is from their own deity. It's all in the perseption and projection on the instant. You believe in this god... you believe that he or she made something.. thus to you... they had the power to make such happen.  *shrugs*

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 08:02 PM

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I will answer the whole Zeus question. Isn't he just a greek god and just a myth?


He's just as much of a myth as Jesus.

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I mean stories of him and the other greek gods and goddesses are just stories to entertain.


No... they were very much the religion in ancient Greece...

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But the stories are usually said to be myth about the greek gods correct. Is there proof of their existance or of any god in that manner.


And thats where I find the hypocrisy. Why is greek mythology called a mythology, while its just as valid as any other religion? Its a dead religion, yes, but that doesnt mean its any less valid than christianity or islam or judaism or any other religion.

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There is no historical evidence for Zues Stellar.


Theres as much as for Jesus.

BTW, are you aware that the greek gods are a result of "godification"? An ordinary person being braught up to the level of a god through exaggeration?

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Unless you believe him, Artemis, Hera and Ares all actually fought alongside humans in the trojan war for the fun of it. Also believing that Zues turns himself into a cow and rapes people whenever he wanted. Also believing he lived ON earth on Mount Olympus, and since we all know that is not possible, no one believes in it.


First of all, its no more foolish than to believe theres some invisible guy sitting on some cloud watching over each and every one of us trying to make our lives good and worthwhile, yet has no power to stop suffering. Second of all, why is it not possible he lived on Mount Olympus? If he's a god, he's all powerful and can do anything, right?

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The intruiging factor, is that the bible does tie in historical references. Things such as King Hezekiah, King David, King Solomon, the Babylonian wars, including the take over by the Roman army, and this is just a small bit.


Just as spiderman does, or pretty much any fictional tv show. Or, even better, the trojan war you mentionned...

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Most religions can be proven to be false, such as Greek Mythology.


It cant be proven to be false any more than christianity.

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Or at least they have no historical references, but the bible does.


The historical references in the bible dont prove the bible any more than those in spiderman prove spiderman.


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Posted 17 November 2005 - 08:05 PM

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Christianity is, since Jesus Christ is the Risen Lord and Saviour, so by definition of truth, since He alone qualifies as the Saviour.


No... you *believe* he is, which is just as valid as a member of another religion believing theirs is the only true one. Double standard.


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Posted 17 November 2005 - 08:09 PM

I called it mythology because that is what it was called in school right. You learn that in school that it is fake right? I know that I either heard that or whatnot. It is like the story of Hercules. And goat men. The stories seemed far fetched to me. But probably as far fetched as the "burning bush" or the "parting of the Red Sea" But to the believer it is not far fetched. I am sure that greeks believed in this very much as I do in Abraham's God. (my God)

I think I said that christianity cannot be proven as much as zeus. But you only read the parts about me calling it a myth. Why?

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 08:16 PM

and, should our current civilization fall, in a thousand years, archeologists may well classify our religions as mythology.............

Or worse, our mythology (superman, batman, etc) as our religions

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 08:47 PM

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Just wondering why so many peoples have taken it upon themselves to totally disregard the person of Jesus Of Nazareth, and His Church..
Simple question deserves a simple answer – Now that Christianity’s 1700 year monopoly on the Western World has been broken and it is no longer a capital crime to actually research the claims of Christianity, more and more people have seen how bogus it all is.  How there is NO CONTEMPORARY EVIDENCE of a Jesus of Nazareth, nothing anywhere other that a very highly biased and suspect collection of documents that gives evidence of the validity of the God Jehovah/Yaweh/YHWH or that Jesus of Nazareth was his son.  That the town of Nazareth did not actually exist until around 130 CE.  That Bethlehem of Judea was only ruins at the time Jesus was supposedly born there.  That the whole thing is no more than a copy of various older resurrected savior god religions.  That is why we take it upon ourselves to totally disregard a person who probably never existed and an organization that has perpetrated more horror, bloodshed, evil, torment, and torture upon this world and for longer than any other organization in the history of humanity

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It seems that we are employing a huge double standard here, as many tend to either not believe historical accounts of His life, both Biblical and other
There are no historical accounts of his life…None.  We only have 4 “gospels”, written long generations after the supposed fact, that claim to tell the details of his life, but if all the incidents (including the obvious repeats from poor copying) were put together, they would cover a mere 8 weeks out of a life that was supposedly 32 years long!  All other mentions of this Jesus are either known interpolations or so far after the fact that the information could only have been gotten by asking a Christian.

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yet willingly to accept as "facts" virtually everyting recorded by other religious followers... Mohhammed/Buddah/etc life stories are all taken at face value
I can only speak for myself, but I do not accept the other religious founders as anything more than I accept Jesus of Nazareth – either Charlatans, less than what their followers claimed, or pure and simple mythological characters.

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none of the claims made by/about jesus/Bible/Church are to be Even considered valid at all...
And with the dearth of valid evidence they shouldn’t be.

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Guess that you would end up with either NO religion or its founder as being accurate and acceptable
I echo Seanp on this one – Oh that I would live to see the day!

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There is no historical evidence for Zues Stellar
Nor is there any for Jehovah/Yahweh/YHWH

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Unless you believe him, Artemis, Hera and Ares all actually fought alongside humans in the trojan war for the fun of it
Or unless you believe Jehovah actually fought alongside Israelites in the conquest of Canaan for the fun of it (Joshua 10:10-11)

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Also believing that Zues turns himself into a cow and rapes people whenever he wanted.
Don’t see how that is much difference than speaking from a burning bush or from a whirlwind or impregnating a virgin through the holy spirit (which is supposed to be him anyway).

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believing he lived ON earth on Mount Olympus
The Israelites believed that he dwelled in the Tabernacle, so what is the difference?

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The intruiging factor, is that the bible does tie in historical references. Things such as King Hezekiah, King David, King Solomon, the Babylonian wars, including the take over by the Roman army, and this is just a small bit
King Lear, Julius Caesar, Tobacco Road, the Longest Day are all brim full of historical references, any good fiction writer will set their works against a historical background, if only to make them believable.  The bibles historical references does nothing toward granting validity to it or the religion it supports.  Incidentially, could you provide any real evidence that David and Solomon ever existed, there seems to be no secular evidence for them.

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Most religions can be proven to be false, such as Greek Mythology
Actually no religion can be proven false, nor can a religion be disproved totally.

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least they have no historical references, but the bible does
They have as many historical references as does the bible, you just aren’t familiar with their history.  Greek Mythology brims with Bronze Age Greek historical references, Hinduism has historical references that go back to the 4th millennium BCE (Judiasm/Chiristianity can only claim 2nd millennium), Buddhism has historical references at least back to 2500 BCE.

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there is a great number of followers in the Christian faith, roughly 2 Billion
Numbers mean nothing when it comes to the validity of a religion

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As I've said before... if one god is true... then they all are
As a Deist, I like to think they are all part and parcel of the Creator

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