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#31    Kismit

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 09:15 PM

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So according to your belief Silver Cougar, everything you believe in, becomes a god ?. So, I could take this pencil, on my desk here, and suddenly believe that it's a God, and it therefore is ?. If this is true then with 2 billion worshippers, I would claim that Jesus Christ and God are the most powerful Gods in existance.


I like this game, yes.gif Some people could take two pieces of wood hammer them together and turn them into a powerful religious symbol capable of warding off demons, or a circle could be a powerful protective symbol or a star or a pentagram or an Ankha or picture of some guy who was related to your Grandfather, Wiccan's belive you can charge anything to be magikal so why the heck not a pencil.

The only problem I have with religion is it's elitism,  for goodness sake, the my religion is the only true religion and I would fight and die to prove it sect are a real problem. Honestly, when you die, how about you say hello to Jesus and Buddah and Allah and anyone else who is up there for me, I doubt it is anywhere near as exclusive as most churches would have you believe. After all living isn't an invite only event.






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Posted 17 November 2005 - 09:16 PM

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I called it mythology because that is what it was called in school right. You learn that in school that it is fake right?


Wait, what gives anyone the right to say it is any more fake than another religion?

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I think I said that christianity cannot be proven as much as zeus. But you only read the parts about me calling it a myth. Why?


I read all of it.

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 09:18 PM

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I doubt it is anywhere near as exclusive as most churches would have you believe. After all living isn't an invite only event.

Totally agree!  yes.gif

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                    Assyrian tablet circa 2800 BCE

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 09:31 PM

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Simple question deserves a simple answer – Now that Christianity’s 1700 year monopoly on the Western World has been broken and it is no longer a capital crime to actually research the claims of Christianity, more and more people have seen how bogus it all is.  How there is NO CONTEMPORARY EVIDENCE of a Jesus of Nazareth, nothing anywhere other that a very highly biased and suspect collection of documents that gives evidence of the validity of the God Jehovah/Yaweh/YHWH or that Jesus of Nazareth was his son.  That the town of Nazareth did not actually exist until around 130 CE.  That Bethlehem of Judea was only ruins at the time Jesus was supposedly born there.  That the whole thing is no more than a copy of various older resurrected savior god religions.  That is why we take it upon ourselves to totally disregard a person who probably never existed and an organization that has perpetrated more horror, bloodshed, evil, torment, and torture upon this world and for longer than any other organization in the history of humanity
There are no historical accounts of his life…None.  We only have 4 “gospels”, written long generations after the supposed fact, that claim to tell the details of his life, but if all the incidents (including the obvious repeats from poor copying) were put together, they would cover a mere 8 weeks out of a life that was supposedly 32 years long!  All other mentions of this Jesus are either known interpolations or so far after the fact that the information could only have been gotten by asking a Christian.
I can only speak for myself, but I do not accept the other religious founders as anything more than I accept Jesus of Nazareth – either Charlatans, less than what their followers claimed, or pure and simple mythological characters.
And with the dearth of valid evidence they shouldn’t be.
I echo Seanp on this one – Oh that I would live to see the day!
Nor is there any for Jehovah/Yahweh/YHWH
Or unless you believe Jehovah actually fought alongside Israelites in the conquest of Canaan for the fun of it (Joshua 10:10-11)
Don’t see how that is much difference than speaking from a burning bush or from a whirlwind or impregnating a virgin through the holy spirit (which is supposed to be him anyway).
The Israelites believed that he dwelled in the Tabernacle, so what is the difference?
King Lear, Julius Caesar, Tobacco Road, the Longest Day are all brim full of historical references, any good fiction writer will set their works against a historical background, if only to make them believable.  The bibles historical references does nothing toward granting validity to it or the religion it supports.  Incidentially, could you provide any real evidence that David and Solomon ever existed, there seems to be no secular evidence for them.
Actually no religion can be proven false, nor can a religion be disproved totally.
They have as many historical references as does the bible, you just aren’t familiar with their history.  Greek Mythology brims with Bronze Age Greek historical references, Hinduism has historical references that go back to the 4th millennium BCE (Judiasm/Chiristianity can only claim 2nd millennium), Buddhism has historical references at least back to 2500 BCE.
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They have as many historical references as does the bible, you just aren’t familiar with their history.  Greek Mythology brims with Bronze Age Greek historical references, Hinduism has historical references that go back to the 4th millennium BCE (Judiasm/Chiristianity can only claim 2nd millennium), Buddhism has historical references at least back to 2500 BCE.


Hinduism dates back to 2500 bce to 1500 bce, Buddhism - 566-486 B.C.E , Judaism/ Hebraism - 3000 BCE. 3760 Im pretty sure is the start of the Jewish Calendar when Adam and Eve were created. That would predate any other religion. I could be wrong, but that is my understanding.

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 09:36 PM

I don't know why people would say that Greek gods are fake it is only what I heard. I guess since I don't believe it I didn't question whether it was fake.

But if you read it all why would you say that about what I said. I said in the post that Christianity is also called myth too. But

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 09:40 PM

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Judaism/ Hebraism - 3000 BCE

You need to get your nose out of fundamentalist websites and actually pick up recent historical and archaeological publications.  Judaism was not around until the 9th century BCE and the YHWHist priests didn't get the religion as predominate until after the return from exile.  3000 years old, you wish!  Whether you wish to believe it or not, the Avesta (Zoroasterism) has material that can be dated back to nearly 4000 BCE, the Hindu scriptures (there are several) has material that can be dated into the 2nd century BCE.  i would go on, but you are too closed minded to worry with.  yes.gif

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                    Assyrian tablet circa 2800 BCE

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 09:41 PM

Like Mako said, no religion can be proved to be false, as long as one person follows it, that is enough, no matter how foolish it sounds. Everyone is free to follow what it is they want, religion or philosophies. Read up on Greek Mythology and see if you believe in any of that.

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 09:42 PM



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That would predate any other religion. I could be wrong, but that is my understanding.


This is where you would be wrong.  Studies and research has shown that animism and shamanism.. the communion of nature, and the animals...  were the first religions.  Shamans were the seer's, the healers, the spiritual guides to the wandering tribes of humans.  The cave paintings and such predate judeism, and show that they were used for "magical" spells for the hunt.

When humans finaly settled down and became farmers.. cultivators... the animal and natural spirits the shamans were in "communication" with became gods and goddess... the most earliest dating back to pre babalonian and sumatrian.  

Many now think that the abrahamic god was once a war god of one of the panthions the isreialites or caananites worshiped before just.. dropping them all for some other reason and going with just that one.  The dropped gods and goddesses became angels and demons...  Which could have been some priestly and leadership power play to do such.

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 09:42 PM

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You need to get your nose out of fundamentalist websites and actually pick up recent historical and archaeological publications.  Judaism was not around until the 9th century BCE and the YHWHist priests didn't get the religion as predominate until after the return from exile.  3000 years old, you wish!  Whether you wish to believe it or not, the Avesta (Zoroasterism) has material that can be dated back to nearly 4000 BCE, the Hindu scriptures (there are several) has material that can be dated into the 2nd century BCE.  i would go on, but you are too closed minded to worry with.  yes.gif


can you source any of that ?

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 09:42 PM

Why care about dates everyone?

The only date worth noting will be on the Calendar soon as a holiday.

10- 2.- the birth of the one and only.

Aww that is the only date you need to know. Lol.



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Posted 17 November 2005 - 09:45 PM

Hinduism is one of the oldest living religions--its roots dating to prehistoric times in India.  And the Vedas are the oldest Hindu scriptures--older than the writings of any other major religion. (Charles S. J. White, Ph.D., Professor Emeritus of Philosophy and Religion, The American University)

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 09:46 PM

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can you source any of that ?

As soon as you source your claims.  I am not the one making fantastic claims of a true religion, just showing how silly it is.

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Read up on Greek Mythology and see if you believe in any of that.

I did and found it much more believable than Christianity and a lot less violent and racist.  yes.gif

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 09:52 PM

Mako even the goat man? Zeus wasn't he a smitter?

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 09:55 PM

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As soon as you source your claims.  I am not the one making fantastic claims of a true religion, just showing how silly it is.

I did and found it much more believable than Christianity and a lot less violent and racist.  yes.gif


What part on Greek "mythology"  do you like best ?.

Heres one

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 09:59 PM

Suzy-Q, Christmas is a pagan holiday, based on year-end celebrations held by the ancient Romans.  Jesus was not born on December 25.  Nobody knows for sure even what year he was born.

The first mention of December 25 as the birth date of Jesus occurred in A.D. 336 in an early Roman calendar.  The celebration of this day as Jesus' birth date was probably influenced by pagan (unchristian) festivals held at that time.  The ancient Romans held year-end celebrations to honor Saturn, their harvest god; and Mithras, the god of light.  Various peoples in northern Europe held festivals in mid-December to celebrate the end of the harvest season.  As part of all these celebrations, the people prepared special foods, decorated their homes with greenery, and joined in singing and gift giving.  These customs gradually became part of the Christmas celebration.--Robert J. Myers, M.A., Author, Celebrations, The Complete Book of American Holidays

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