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#541    micah-el

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Posted 21 December 2005 - 06:29 PM

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Then maybe you are a deist?  yes.gif

i know not, what they would call me, but i prefer; like my two buddies DemonWatcher and DarkLordOfHELL; to be called a

Watcher (not in the biblical sense though).  




I look at this world and see it needs a leader...

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Posted 21 December 2005 - 06:32 PM

Oh I never heard of a watcher. Sounds neat.

The deists believe in a loving creator that no longer interacts with the creations.. they also do not believe in hell. \


This is an interesting religion. If I were not Christian I would be a deist.  yes.gif

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Posted 21 December 2005 - 06:39 PM

I prefer to do what The One True God's non-corporeal creations do, Watch and wait.

Hence i am a Watcher.

I look at this world and see it needs a leader...

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Posted 21 December 2005 - 06:51 PM

To answer the original question I will use a couple of quotes that make a lot of sense to me.

C.S. Lewis in his book Mere Christianity makes the best one I have ever read.

In the end though, one must have faith that God exists and that faith should be grounded in logic and reason so that it is not simply blind faith. If you want to convince an agnostic of the existence of God, then do so by showing him or her he fruits of that faith. Most people I know that are agnostic are not agnostic because they have a hard time logically concluding that a higher power exists, but rather because of the actions of the people who claim to follow that higher power. I think this point is best illustrated by the following quote:

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
-Mohandas Gandhi


Most people do not want to know the truth they only want confirmation for what they think is truth.

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Posted 21 December 2005 - 06:59 PM

I would say the answer to that question is sad and simple.

Jesus in the Bible said : "if you follow me you will be hated and persecuted"...so thats a given

the otehr part is, so much eveil, so many wrongs have been donne in the name of christianity that people have become saturated.
also nowadays, most famous people connected in some way to christianity are so arrogant, self-righteous, hypocritical, judgemental, pig-headed and narrow-minded that it ends up reflecting on everyone else.....

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 12:47 AM

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Yeah, we know (most of us).  About Christmas, about Mary (although there are a few quite secular ways in which it could have happened).  The last part is strictly your opinion, which I happen to share, but your opinion, my opinion, and ten bucks will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

Doesn't mean that we refer to people who haven't learned this yet as stupid.  No one should expect you to know something that you haven't been taught.

No, my friend, You opinion, my opinion and ten bucks, will give 2 cups of coffee, a couple of granola bars, and a really nice conversation.

Time is an illusion, but pain is not.
And you will find that out soon enough.
Sleep sound while you can, for soon you, and your entire race of pathetic humans, will perish.
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We aren't worth the air we breath.

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 12:49 AM

I am on my way to the Sprituality vs. Skeptism fourm

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And you will find that out soon enough.
Sleep sound while you can, for soon you, and your entire race of pathetic humans, will perish.
that includes me.
We aren't worth the air we breath.

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Posted 23 December 2005 - 03:59 PM

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to answer the question in the title;

Jesus is not hated, however the religion born of what he taught (the original hebrew scriptures) and of later books (new testament) is what is hated.

Christians are hated because historically they have shed blood to gain converts, and never forget the "Holy" crusades, into the middle east to find objects that have been lost for millenia.

Personally i believe there may be a higher power, but what ever it is, it just doesn't care anymore.
Warning: not sarcasm.

How many pictures/paintings of Jesus are there? Which one is actually a true depiction of what he really really looks like?
I don't know, dammit I hate Jesus. Which one? I don't know I hate them all. Wait till one day I die, and I find out what he really really looks like and he actually speaks to me. Or am I WAITING and WATCHING for ressurection???
Dammit I hate that, no one has been ressurected yet, I hate that unressurected Jesus.
Wait a second how come I hate Jesus? I don't even know him. I can't hate anyone I don't know. Dammit I hate that.

I hate it when that happens.

I don't know- maybe it's my internal primitive instinct, but I just hate the people who made me worship an invisible higher power when I was a child, whom created a son named Jesus Christ- whom has probably millions of depictions of himself in an artistic view, whom I never met before as a child. Then ( InsanePotatoes ) I grew up, looked back and tried to figure out if I lost something (FAITH) that I couldn't have ever possibly gained in the first place unless I could touch it. Pretty pathetic unless you could prove it through a miracle.

There is a balance-of the ego: no miracles, no accidents.

So today I don't hate anyone, anything, anyplace, anywhere, for whatever reason, why ever, however, if ever,  UNLESS I know first. If I know, then I can love.

If I don't know, I can't love, and I can't hate. It, I can hate. DAMN IT.
* A MESSAGE TO IT - YOU ARE NOT HIGHER THAN ME - DO YOU GOT THAT? * * [i]probably not reading this anyway - dammit I knew it -
it just doesn't care anymore does it. I hate it *[i]
I hate it, because it doesn't make sense being something I can't hate if I don't know what it is, then I hate it when that happens. Then I end up hating it, and then it goes away.

So there is skepticism of why Jesus is hated in the first place, before Christianity is going to get full definition of hate - I think.

Edited by PFlack, 27 December 2005 - 04:25 PM.

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Posted 23 December 2005 - 09:08 PM

To "InsanePotatoes", from my friend, "Desypher". "If there is no creater, ( or what some people would call God because of that reason of being created ), there must have been something whether God/creater/machine- or higher power that made this besides ourselves because no one being can create themselves. So, what does that leave 'us'?
It leaves us in a place of awe of present creation, past creation, and future creation.

-"Desypher" A.K.A- asdf/// P.S. Lack of belief if anything leads to Hell. Without that belief, we are left alone."

P.P.S.- To one pleasure there is a lifetime of suffering.. to one instance of suffering there is a lifetime of pleasure compared to that suffuring.

-Again, not necessarily my words, but I agree. -PFlack.
There is the possibility of skepticism of the hatred for God/Jesus Christ and Christianity.
Maybe it is a question that should be rephrazed?

Edited by PFlack, 27 December 2005 - 04:18 PM.

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Posted 23 December 2005 - 09:54 PM

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To answer the original question I will use a couple of quotes that make a lot of sense to me.

C.S. Lewis in his book Mere Christianity makes the best one I have ever read.

In the end though, one must have faith that God exists and that faith should be grounded in logic and reason so that it is not simply blind faith. If you want to convince an agnostic of the existence of God, then do so by showing him or her he fruits of that faith. Most people I know that are agnostic are not agnostic because they have a hard time logically concluding that a higher power exists, but rather because of the actions of the people who claim to follow that higher power. I think this point is best illustrated by the following quote:

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
-Mohandas Gandhi


thumbup.gif good post (btw, did you know Ghandi believed in the ressurection of christ?)

However, I'm tired of people confunding one or two Christians with christianity. If it is legitime to blame christianism for the despicable acts of a insignificant minority of christians who, in fact  have for sure an higher amount of good, honest, holy people amongst their ranks than any other institucion in the world (only rivalising with buddhism perhaps happy.gif ), then it also legitime to condemn the whole human race,  or the whole America, or all sausage makers  grin2.gif (I know of one who cheated in the casino, that's bad! mad.gif )


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Jesus is not hated, however the religion born of what he taught (the original hebrew scriptures) and of later books (new testament) is what is hated.



so, you are against his teachings, not his person? you are against a message of forgiveness and love? huh.gif

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Christians are hated because historically they have shed blood to gain converts,


indeed, their own

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and never forget the "Holy" crusades, into the middle east to find objects that have been lost for millenia.



laugh.gif rofl - I think that was Indiana Jones actually or maybe you're reading too many templar/graal/masonry books, no?  hmm.gif

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Personally i believe there may be a higher power, but what ever it is, it just doesn't care anymore.



no.gif that's dumb friend. so, when you are having dinner you don't care what you are actually eating? when you are having sex you don't care who is in the other side of the bed? you also don't mind which party governs your country?
really, that such a wise and mature way of living  thumbsup.gif keep on

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Posted 23 December 2005 - 10:28 PM

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C.S. Lewis  "Mere Christianity"

for every line in that book two can be written to refute it.

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the dispicable acts of christianity are anything but insignificant!  Laying blame where it belongs is being prudent.


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Posted 24 December 2005 - 12:14 PM

I didn't say the "despicable acts of christiansim" were insignificant. If you read that again you'll see that what I said was that the people who commited those acts were an insignificant minority. (I know you'll then ask me if the Inquisition was also only a minority, and it was, only three countries had it in all the christian world, and only for 2 centuries in 20. But you are right, it was the greatest, and probably only, black staint of christianism)

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Posted 24 December 2005 - 01:46 PM

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Wow...Sean...you're incredible, an inspiration.  I feel for you too.

I'm still very new to this board...but I thought that I would share a bit of my life.  BTW...Sean I really liked that essay on God's Plan that you posted... I will relate some events in my life to God's Plan...(or lack thereof).

When I was fourteen years old my baby sister (12 years old) was murdered.  Was that God's Plan?  Did he mean for her to die a terrifying death?  Did he mean for her to be ripped away from my family?  Did he mean for us to be emotionally traumitized for the rest of our lives because of this horrific crime?  Some people claim that he took my sister to keep her safe from harmful things...maybe to protect her from my family or because she was to good for this earth?  If so...why then wasn't I worthy of being protected too?  In such a terrible way.   I was a little twelve year old girl too once.

Years went by...I healed...somewhat.  In those days I still believed in God...though I had definitely begun to question Him and his Arbitrary Laws and his oh so Tender Mercy...

I'll skip the later teen years...though I did suffer from a three month long nightmare...but that's another story...when I was twenty-two and living on my own I felt such a stabbing agony in my abdomen that I ended up having to go to the hospital emergency... it turned out to be nothing major (according to doctors) and I was sent home with out ever really getting any satisfying answers about the pain.  The pain lasted for about 3 weeks and gradually subsided but it never went away...NEVER.  I got used to the pain and learned to ignore it...what a mistake that was.

At around 25 I had moved back to my home town, close to my parents.  I made arrangements to go to Art College that Fall, and I never made it... That Summer the pain that had sent me to the Hospital 3 years before finally resolved into something...I had cancer.  I was twenty five years old, I had never had children...and the first thing the disease took away was my ability to have children.  Was that God's Plan?  I wasn't meant to have children?

Anyway, it has been about 15 years and I am still fighting Cancer.  I have been very sick...many times...been on the edge...scared many people with close calls...still scare them even today.  My family...as I have indicated is quite religious....over an over again they tell me that I'm alive today because God is watching over me...that the power of prayer-circles has given me strength...no one gives me credit for the simple reality that I'm to stuborn to die... I thank people when they tell me that they prayed for me...but I believe completely that it my faith in myself, my love for my family and my inner strength that keeps me strong and fighting.  For me life is worth living...I cherish every day... dispite the pain I have gone through and still suffer daily (i think people living with daily pain understand my term of "rising to new levels of pain").

Sometimes, when people want to praise God that I'm alive today...I just shake my head...It is my effort, my strength, my determination that makes me wake every day, face that new wonderful day and wonder what might happen today.  I don't believe in fate (unless its strange fate).  I don't think that God wrote a plan for me that said my sister would be murdered and that I would be emotionally scarred and then stricken with cancer... Was I born sinful?  Was I destined to be punished?  For what reason?  What was Gods plan?  Having Cancer hasn't made me a better person...so if his plan was to have me help others who suffer than he has failed.  Oh I can help them...I understand the pain and fear they are going through and maybe on occasion I have helped...but I haven't gone out of my way...I haven't become a Good-doer, I not a Volunteer or a Joiner.  Was it God's plan for me to become a cynic?  A doubting Sinner?  If so...and I have often blasphemied in vain wink2.gif ...he has yet to strike me down...unless of course my punishment is my cancer...and then what an Arbitrary God he is...because I still believed back then and my heart had not yet closed to him...

If there is a God, then I wonder what did I ever do to deserve this trial???  I mean if He loves me and he gave me this trail because he loves me...well...I sure wouldn't want to see what kind of trial I would have been given if I was hated.  

I mean, after all...God loves every one right?


Thank you for your kind words, MJ.  And my deepest sympathies for the loss of your sister.  Your strength is inspiring.  Keep fighting that fight. yes.gif wink2.gif

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Posted 25 December 2005 - 05:53 AM

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mplar/graal/masonry books, no? : hmm:

QUOTE(micah-el @ Dec 21 2005, 05:57 PM) *


Personally i believe there may be a higher power, but what ever it is, it just doesn't care anymore




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no.gif that's dumb friend.  


Well there it is the answer to the question of the thread.  How do you know, rolleyes, that this is not the case? You got proof he is wrong?  You say he is dumb because he disagrees with you. This is actually a Deist point of view, a supreme being that is indifferent.  That might be the case.  It is not dumb just different.

I once had a friend that wanted to hear about my religion, he had questions which were not answered by the bible. We were sitting at a camp fire with some other people.  There was a christian there.  As I began to speak the christian started shaking his head with his eyes closed saying I was wrong over and over. He actually had know idea what I was saying as he couldn't hear me. I motioned to my friend we should take a walk so we could talk.  The darn christian started following us. My friend and I got into my truck to escape him.  That is the kind of nutty stuff that makes me want to strangle christians.  









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Posted 01 January 2006 - 08:55 PM

interesting view in this article:

Christmas Was Crucified Again

http://www.savethemales.ca/001364.html


and


ERASING CHRISTIANITY

http://www.newswithviews.com/Ryter/jon114.htm


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