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#1    gothikchile13

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 02:58 PM

Why is it that there's always a mention of "the next anti-Christ", but no one ever mentions "the next Christ"? I was just thinking about that last night.

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 03:11 PM

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.....but no one ever mentions "the next Christ"?
Per Christian belief.
No new Christ just the same Christ (Jesus Christ).

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 03:15 PM

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Per Christian belief.
No new Christ just the same Christ (Jesus Christ).


Do you mean "The Second Coming"? And why are Anti-Christs so much more common than...um...regular Christs?

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 03:23 PM

To keep people on their toes...there cannot be a rebirth of jesus all of the time, but if there is an antichrist around, folks feel scared and inspired to be involved with the church.

It is a great marketing plan...a great way to keep control over people. Never in the history of mankind will the church say that things are going peachy...they will say whatever is necessary to keep people glued to the pews and dropping 20's into the plate as it passes by...

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 03:27 PM

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To keep people on their toes...there cannot be a rebirth of jesus all of the time, but if there is an antichrist around, folks feel scared and inspired to be involved with the church.

It is a great marketing plan...a great way to keep control over people. Never in the history of mankind will the church say that things are going peachy...they will say whatever is necessary to keep people glued to the pews and dropping 20's into the plate as it passes by...


Hmm. That's an interesting concept. How uncool. Isn't the church going against it's whole ideal philosophy of "doing the right Christian thing" and all that, then? Are they really that corrupt?

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 03:35 PM

It is a business, no more and no less. It may be dressed up with a pretty facade, but it is still designed to keep power and control over people.

"evil is always nipping at your heels, without us you will fall victim to the devil"...that kind of mentality strongarms people into following a religion based soley on fear of retribution form their "loving" god.

There are pockets of people that a well meaning, I have no doubt of that, but christianity as a whole is rather unsavory in my opinion.

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 03:40 PM

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It is a business, no more and no less. It may be dressed up with a pretty facade, but it is still designed to keep power and control over people.

"evil is always nipping at your heels, without us you will fall victim to the devil"...that kind of mentality strongarms people into following a religion based soley on fear of retribution form their "loving" god.

There are pockets of people that a well meaning, I have no doubt of that, but christianity as a whole is rather unsavory in my opinion.


Wow. I always thought something was up, but never like that. It does make sense, however. Leave it to humans to turn everything into a money maker.

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 04:14 PM

I agree with FluffyBunny totally, all you have to do is check out the religion's blood-soaked history. yes.gif

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 04:34 PM

To offer a slight counterpoint to Fluffybunny here, consider this possibility...

The battle for your immortal soul is the most important battle to be waged in this or any time.  To fail, it would mean the eternal damnation of one, some or even ALL souls.  Therefore, the best way to keep the ONLY weapon against Evil ™ is to keep the church strong.  To do that, you have to keep people faithful.  To do that - you have to keep people IN the church.

With that goal in mind, you do whatever you have to do to keep people in the pews.
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That being said, I just offer that for mind fodder - as I can't really argue Fluffybunny's point... sadly.  It makes us out to be nothing but money-grubbing jerks, and I would like to believe that we are above that.

Oh, PLEASE let us be above that...

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 05:29 PM

ohmy.gif  Oooh... it seems I've stumbled into a nest of lies and blasphemy-what to do? Well I believe I'll set a few things straight. First of all, the explanation is that an Antichrist is a thing and Christ is a person. Second, if you interpret the Bible correctly, there is nothing in Christianity that is ment to scare you- exept the concept of Hell which was never ment to be interpreted as a real place anyway. And Fluffybunny, it seems that you are either a Bhuddist or an Atheist. If you are the first- thumbsup.gif , if you are the second no.gif .

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 05:39 PM

IRONic Metaphor.


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Posted 14 December 2005 - 06:11 PM

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First of all, the explanation is that an Antichrist is a thing and Christ is a person.
If I can ask where do you get that the anti-christ is a thing?

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.


Also look up these verses:
Matthew 24:5,23,24,26
Mark 13:6,21,22
Luke 21:8
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Revelations 19:20;20:10,15


Everything I find it makes it look like the anti-christ is a person.

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Second, if you interpret the Bible correctly, there is nothing in Christianity that is ment to scare you- .....
Excuse me.....You are wrong there....What of Gods "LOVE"   <A link<

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 10:57 PM

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Fluffybunny, it seems that you are either a Bhuddist or an Atheist.

I don't know if FB is an Atheist or a Buddhist, but I agree with what he is saying and I am neither.  You don't have to be an Atheist to see what mature male bovine manure that the Christian religion has been passing out for the last 2000 years in order to control the masses!  Incidentially, it is blasphemy only when you actually believe in the matter being blasphemed.  Otherwise it is a personal opinion that just doesn't happen to agree with the believer's opinion!  yes.gif

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 11:14 PM

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And Fluffybunny, it seems that you are either a Buddhist or an Atheist. If you are the first-  , if you are the second  .


I am not an atheist, but understand those that are. I keep my mind open to possibilities in each religion, but christianity just really makes absolutely no sense to me. It seems to be so incredibly fundamentally flawed, and the more I look into it, the more flawed it seems.

There are parts of the bible that I really like, and parts that I think are beautiful, but the majority just seems so incredibly...odd...angry...controlling...contradictive.... I don't really have one single word for it.

I find that Buddhism is closer to my own personal beliefs, as are the Navajo/native American spiritual beliefs… I think that assigning undesirable personal actions to a devil is a cheap way out. I think that personal development and self discipline are important and generated from inside rather than some omnipotent being that wishes to take control of me...



Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

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Posted 14 December 2005 - 11:45 PM

Some people get motivation to be good via parents, friends family, etc.. Other themselves. Really has nothing to do with religion. You can't say that all Christians have less morals than Atheist [I've seen it said on these forums a few times] because without God they'd be bad people, because if you stop to think about it, without the belief in God, they're an ATHEIST so it all turns around. Lol... Just a thought.

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