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The Rise and Fall of Christianity


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#31    RisenPrism

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Posted 17 December 2005 - 05:44 PM

Need I remind you people that Christianity has helped more people than any other religion? That is no opinion, that is fact. And to whoever said that Christianity has never gotten out of the Dark Ages, you must remember that it was the Catholics that started it.

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Posted 17 December 2005 - 06:33 PM

many of those people that were "helped" by christianity would have done better without it. rolleyes.gif


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Posted 17 December 2005 - 06:48 PM

Why is it that you say that?

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Posted 17 December 2005 - 07:01 PM

because they were doing just fine before christianity was brought to their "doorstep" with the old "join us or die" mentality (which was displayed through various methods including the sword and infected blankets)


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Posted 17 December 2005 - 07:14 PM

If you believe that, then go ahead and ask the millions of families who don't have enough this holiday season if they appreciate the Christians going out and buying them food and toys.  There's an organization here in Michigan called Newsboys.  I know non-Christians in my work who were talking about going to Newsboys after work to get shoes and clothes for their kids.  Yeah, they really don't like our help.


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Posted 17 December 2005 - 07:20 PM

when christianity contributed to making the problem and then does its little bit to help fix it you are all happy.  Selective memory, selective perception. yes.gif


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Posted 17 December 2005 - 07:46 PM

Christianity will not be destroyed UNTIL science can prove God does not exist. Many of the ancient mythologies are destroyed due to the destruction and the conquering of their people, and the current decree of religious law set by senate at the time. There are no more genocides in todays world, so there is no way a christian would lose their faith, unless Science somehow does show that it is impossible for God to exist. Im not even sure how Science would eventually get to that point. I could see one thing being extraterrestrial life coming to earth, this would cause a large confusion on all religions. Of course, unless something like this happens, I highly doubt christianity will ever die out.

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Posted 17 December 2005 - 08:06 PM

all man-made things die out, and christianity is no exception.  it is happening now.  christianity is declining, its younger brother on the rise.  eventually islam will also decline and die.  what will "replace" the monotheistics?  that is mere speculation.


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Posted 17 December 2005 - 08:06 PM

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Great post....as for Christianity's replacement, probably something like Deism, which provides the belief in a Deity and is totally science-friendly!  yes.gif

Nope... Jesus Christ has promised that His Church will never pass away, and that God has already planned for the end of this age, when His Son Jesus returns to earth to set up His Kingdom... So in  a sense Christianity will be replaced, by the Messiah who it is founded/built upon, and at His return, all nations and Peoples will acknowledge Jesus Christ is the LORD, to the glory of God His Father..


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Posted 17 December 2005 - 08:19 PM

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Nope... Jesus Christ has promised that His Church will never pass away, and that God has already planned for the end of this age, when His Son Jesus returns to earth to set up His Kingdom... So in  a sense Christianity will be replaced, by the Messiah who it is founded/built upon, and at His return, all nations and Peoples will acknowledge Jesus Christ is the LORD, to the glory of God His Father..


yeah, but jesus also promised to never leave 'us'... oops I think he broke that promise. but religions are declining, many people now do not beleive in a god,

to be honest, every different section of christianity has a different god. some a merciful god, some a jealous god, some a vengeful god ect... seems kinda wierd to me. but what i dont get, is that if we are all gods children, why is jesus so important.

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Posted 17 December 2005 - 08:53 PM

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all man-made things die out, and christianity is no exception.  it is happening now.  christianity is declining, its younger brother on the rise.  eventually islam will also decline and die.  what will "replace" the monotheistics?  that is mere speculation.


Christianity is growing 2.3% Anually according to THIS source.



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Posted 17 December 2005 - 09:01 PM

christianity is in its downcycle in "developed worlds" and we will see a shorter cycle of acceptance and decline in developing worlds due to the increased momentum of globalization (technology and knowledge/education is spreading faster).  As knowledge grows, christianity dies.

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here is the entire text from which you got the 2.3% growth for everybody else:
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  U.S. Center for World Mission estimated in 1997 that the percentage of humans who regard themselves as Christians rose from 33.7% in 1970 to 33.9% in 1996. 2 Its total number of adherents is growing at about 2.3% annually. This is approximately equal to the growth rate of the world's population. Islam is growing faster: about 2.9% and is thus increasing its market share.


and from the same site:
Religion Date Founded Sacred Texts Membership 5 % of World  
Christianity 30 CE The Bible 2,039 million  32% (dropping)

Edited by hyperactive, 17 December 2005 - 09:07 PM.


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Posted 17 December 2005 - 09:10 PM

Most postmodern theorists (Foucault, Baudrillard, and Chomsky, to name a few) believe capitalist globalization will eventually lead to a homogenous monoculture completely devoid of religion.

***EDIT: Sorry, Hyper, I was typing as you were posting and basically restated your post.

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Posted 17 December 2005 - 09:18 PM

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christianity is in its downcycle in "developed worlds" and we will see a shorter cycle of acceptance and decline in developing worlds due to the increased momentum of globalization (technology and knowledge/education is spreading faster).  As knowledge grows, christianity dies.

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here is the entire text from which you got the 2.3% growth for everybody else:
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  U.S. Center for World Mission estimated in 1997 that the percentage of humans who regard themselves as Christians rose from 33.7% in 1970 to 33.9% in 1996. 2 Its total number of adherents is growing at about 2.3% annually. This is approximately equal to the growth rate of the world's population. Islam is growing faster: about 2.9% and is thus increasing its market share.


and from the same site:
Religion Date Founded Sacred Texts Membership 5 % of World  
Christianity 30 CE The Bible 2,039 million  32% (dropping)


Of course. In short, due to the massive amounts of population birth, the majority of people are athiest, compared to the total that are christian, but nonetheless, the christian population is still rising. I suppose it all depends on the way you look at it. In reflection to the entire world, the christian numbers are dropping, but the number of followers are increasing.

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Posted 18 December 2005 - 03:40 PM

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Nope... Jesus Christ has promised that His Church will never pass away

He also said that he would return while members of his generation still lived...Shows how much he lies, so how do you know that that promise isn't just another lie? - CM

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