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#16    PurpleStuart

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 02:11 AM

Gizzie, as it was 1917 most planes of that era had propellers no further than 10ft from the ground - most 4-6ft at a approximate guess. A spinning propeller is hard to see and even just 'clipping' it by accident on the wrong side would draw you into it due to it's motion. The other possibility is he had just started the engine - to do so you'd have to spin the propeller with enough force to turn the engine over. You'd probably have to throw your whole weight into it to do so and all it would take is to be slightly off balance...


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Posted 18 March 2002 - 09:18 AM

You MEN!! You never cease to amaze me!! :s01

So, I'm gory because I failed to understand how Freddy walked into a propeller and you are all curious ( in the interests of science/logic/info gathering etc.) trying to figure out how the plane crashed into the Pentagon.  Wasn't it one of you who said all he wanted to do was see the plane (crashing into the Pentagon?).

Purple Stuart, thanks for the info.  the date being 1917 (I should read the info properly) of course the planes wouldn't have been Spits. I don't know what they would have been however - Red Baron stuff?

I'll just put it down to an unexplained tragic accident and reply, yes it was the ghost of Freddy and leave it at that

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 09:57 AM

Good girl GIZZIE :), and not wanting to be left out, I voted yes for it being a real ghost as well.  :s09

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 11:44 AM

Hmmm

The good girl Gizzie isn't accompanied by patting on the head is it?  As in  Don't worry your pretty little head. Leave it to the boys etc?
Cos if it does............. :s8

I think Freddy must have been deaf and blind so Ya Boo Sucks to all of You (wish there was an appropriate Smiley!)  Don't forget I'm a gremlin!

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 03:49 PM

Note to forum: No patting Gizzie on the head :)

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 08:40 PM

[blue]I don't think Freddy must have been deaf and blind. Airfields are pretty busy places especially during wartime. Accidents happen.

As for the shadows part, I guess I am still trying to figure out why if a ghost is not solid, how it could cast a shadow? Or is it a glimpse of something in another dimension, and if so, does the sun shine there too? This stuff hurts your head...
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I just noticed something on that closeup: the right hand jaw side of Freddy's face looks like a straight line, and slightly odd... which makes me wonder if the tamperers have been out or whether it's just an anomaly...

Also, the closeup looks like Matt Le Blanc peering over the shoulder of Jimmy Steward...
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Posted 18 March 2002 - 08:52 PM

May I just take you up on something Loon Boy and I'm not "playing" anymore.

Why do you assume a ghost not to be solid?

Ghosts have many many forms.  

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Ps I know that accidents happen, and I'm sorry if my sense of humour didn't make you laugh :-/

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 09:19 PM

Actually Loony, just because ghosts might or might not be solid, doesn’t mean that they won’t cast a shadow.  Clouds cast shadows; liquids cast shadows.  :sh

Gizzie, solid ghosts are certainly an interesting idea.  :sk

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 09:26 PM

Thanks for the information Tommy, your scientific knowledge concerning shadows knows no boundaries ;D

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 09:35 PM

No problem Homer.  ;D

I wouldn’t call myself an expert in the field though.  :s04  :sj

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 09:54 PM

[blue]Well I assume that a ghost is not the actual body of the dead person and therefore not solid like that body. I couldn't say what a ghost was made from, and I don't think anyone could claim to either. Maybe spiritual energy or something, whatever that would be. Electrical possibly?

As for shadows, well I just don't get it.  :s9

And ghosts can pass through solid objects, so therefore are not solid themselves, I guess.

I dunno. Leave me alone.... lol :s5
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Posted 20 March 2002 - 07:13 PM

I’ve done a little more research of the photo. whistling2.gif

It appears that the whole story originates from Air Marshal Sir Victor Goddard.  He published his story of the photo in 1975. (56 years after the event.)  

However this was not Goddard’s only ‘paranormal’ experience.  In 1935, he claims to have been involved in some kind of time-shifting experience, when flying over Drem Airfield.  He claims to have seen the planes and RAF mechanics as they looked in 1939.

It was he who supposedly coined the word ufology in 1946, when there was an outbreak of UFO sightings.  cool.gif   


http://www.worldofthestrange.com/wots/2000...0-08-14-01a.htm

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Edited by Tommy, 15 August 2003 - 02:12 PM.

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Posted 20 March 2002 - 08:29 PM

[blue]Thanks Tommy for the information.

It certainly adds more details to this puzzle, but instead of debunking the mystery (as I expected) it tends to sway me back to believing that the photograph is of a real ghost.
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Posted 20 March 2002 - 11:01 PM

I agree with Gizzie, about Ghosts sometimes being solid, as i've said before i believe a lot of ghosts are timeslips and so they would have a shadow. Also why shouldn't a ghost have a ghost shadow?  :s04

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Posted 21 March 2002 - 06:14 AM

LB,

 Funny, and I had the exact opposite reaction when I read the information, imagine that.  :s04

 Here's something for anyone to try if they care to. There's an accessory available in Windows called a 'magnifier' (its under the accessibility tab) that you can use to further enlarge the highlighted picture of the ghost. Use a 3 or 4 times magnification and select the 'high contrast' option to view the blowup. The image is strikingly similar to the person next to it, note the shape of the nose, mouth, ear(not very visible, but still), but most importantly the eye - right down to the 'bags' under the eye. PS mentioned the time of exposure, is it possible the man put his cap on just at the beginning of the exposure, slightly changing his position at the same time? Just a thought.

 The other thing that bothers me is that this photograph had been widely distributed (well, among the 200 odd people who took a copy of it when it was made available) for so many years, but no one found it strange enough to bring attention to the obvious 'anamoly' until almost 50 years had gone by? Remember, what you are shown is probably 1/2 the photographs true size, that 'ghost' would stand out in a regular sized photo. You'd think it would have made a huge impression on people back then and garnered quite a bit of attention.

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