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#1    jedi_yarael_poof

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 02:07 AM

No details about it. I heard part of this before. The thought ran through my head in Geography class.  

At one time underground, there was a large body of water (under the present Atlantic Ocean) but erupted (the present Mid-Atlantic Trench) and forced apart the Pangaea and rained for 40 days & 40 nights, which killed the dinosaurs. Although dino fossils date back millions of years, could that much water and setiment stirring around hasten the fossilization to throw off carbon dating? Just an idea.



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Posted 10 January 2006 - 02:43 AM

As much as I would like to agree with you on the FLOOD part, I have to say this theory would not work...

How can an exploding underground "ocean" make it rain? What would make it explode? What would the ocean be made of? There is an "ocean" of magma, but nothin else.

The Mid Atlantic Ridge is a seperating region between  two plates when molten rock forms new crust...not a scar of an once detonated ocean.

If water and sediment WERE stirring around, it would actually SLOW the process of fossilization, not hasten it. The sediment has to settle for fossilization to occur.

Radioactive dating would still work...

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 03:59 AM

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How can an exploding underground "ocean" make it rain? What would make it explode? What would the ocean be made of? There is an "ocean" of magma, but nothin else.


What about geysers? On a very, very large scale maybe.

Maybe if it did happen, it caused the demise of Atlantis and flooded other ancient sites that are now underwater.

Off topic, what's the scientific explanation about why the coelacanth is still the same as it was, but many scientists still believe in evolution?

By looking at your avatar and sig, you study paleontology?

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 10:38 AM

Hmmmmmmm, 40 days and nights you say?  Sounds like you were attending a "Creationist bible school".  But there are so many improbabilities with this.  Even if you were to ignore the scienific dating techniques (and there are several), as well as the clear evolutionary lineages we see in fossil animals, science has never found mammoths and saber tooth tigers "mixed" in the same sediments as dinosaurs, as would be expected if they all lived together in a pre-Noah "Flintstonian World" (for lack of a better term).  

An amusing sideline to the "creationist flood dino extinction theory" is the fact that many creationists think Noah somehow brought ferocious dinosaurs on board his ark as well, in order to explain the many "dragons" mentioned in the bible after the supposed flood extinction.  Of course, serious students of ancient religion know these dragons are actually "servant and guardian creatures" to the Gods, well documented in Sumerian, Hebrew and Egyptian theologies, and prevalent in early Christian theology too, though most sects try to diguise this fact with heavy Bible editing.

Do not construe this is an attack against Judao-Christian beliefs, because the same Biblical scriptures used by the "young earth creationists", can be just as accurately interpreted to show that Noah's flood was only regional, not to mention compatibility with evolution and an earth billions of years old.   In fact the creation story quite remarkably has life beginning in the sea, and humans appearing after dinosaurs (Tannyn), birds, etc, fully compatible with evolutionary ideas.  

There is a multi-million dollar "creationist museum" in Kentucky now that has lifesize dino models with saddles, just like how they purport the  "pre-flood" humans used to ride their dinos!

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 01:36 AM

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Noah somehow brought ferocious dinosaurs on board his ark as well, in order to explain the many "dragons" mentioned in the bible after the supposed flood extinction. Of course, serious students of ancient religion know these dragons are actually "servant and guardian creatures" to the Gods, well documented in Sumerian, Hebrew and Egyptian theologies, and prevalent in early Christian theology too, though most sects try to diguise this fact with heavy Bible editing.

Do not go there DC or I will have to report you for being off-topic.

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There is a multi-million dollar "creationist museum" in Kentucky now that has lifesize dino models with saddles, just like how they purport the "pre-flood" humans used to ride their dinos!

Tsk tsk, attcking another faith...No bashing here DC...

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What about geysers? On a very, very large scale maybe.

Too make it rain 40 days and nights...very unlikely

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Off topic, what's the scientific explanation about why the coelacanth is still the same as it was, but many scientists still believe in evolution?

By looking at your avatar and sig, you study paleontology?

I'll pm this to you now, but just to remind you in the future, going off-topic does not abode well original.gif

Just another word. I'm catholic, so its just a reminder again. Religion is a faith. Many things you cannot prove, but that's why its a faith. Believe.
Just to let you know, because some people here (not directed at anyone) can be very mocking of religions.



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Posted 11 January 2006 - 01:52 AM

The whole 40 days & 40 nights thing, is possible.  The atmosphere would just have to have had a higher amount of moisture than it has now.  How that's possible, I'm not sure.

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 02:02 AM

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The whole 40 days & 40 nights thing, is possible. The atmosphere would just have to have had a higher amount of moisture than it has now. How that's possible, I'm not sure.

Its not. It's can't possibily hold enough moisture to rain 40 days, plus the saturation has to stay for it to rain.

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 05:06 AM

There was no global flood.  Or perhaps only the "world" Noah KNEW of was flooded, but not the whole planet?  (if you think there is any trueth to the story)

(BTW, Frogfish do you believe in bioevolution even though you are Catholic?)

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Posted 15 January 2006 - 02:23 AM

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There was no global flood.  Or perhaps only the "world" Noah KNEW of was flooded, but not the whole planet?  (if you think there is any trueth to the story)



There was a lot of localized flooding about 15 to 25,000 years ago due to melting glaciers but no universal flood has been proven by science.


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Posted 18 January 2006 - 12:24 PM

How about this for consideration? Given the fact that the flood myth is univeral amongst all civilizations, there is probably a reason why. Things to remember when considering this topic. At its most primitive, any society will lcuster at a water source that will support wild life and agriculture. That means that most primitive societies will cluster around rivers, lakes, ponds, streams, oceans, inland seas, etc. What doe they all have in common? They all have flood plains associated with them. Given that, flooding is a problem. That in and of itself is reason for flood myths. However, most of the myths speak of somewhere around 40 days and nights of rain. With that in mind, what could cause it, short of a whim of God? How about a meteor strike in an area near one of the poles? Or, a large volcanic eruption? Think on the scale of the super volcano that is under Yellowstone National Park. Either type of event would throw a massive cloud of dust into the atmosphere which would result in massive rainstorms and possible super hurrincanes. This coupled with the fact that early civilizations would have been living in low lying areas =  story of a massive flood. Then there is the whole theory of the earthen damn that separated the Meditteranean and the Black Sea rupturing. In other words, take your pick of any number of possible natural disasters. Which if you believe in intelligent design, could have been kicked off by God in the first place.


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Posted 19 January 2006 - 04:48 PM

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Or, a large volcanic eruption? Think on the scale of the super volcano that is under Yellowstone National Park. Either type of event would throw a massive cloud of dust into the atmosphere which would result in massive rainstorms and possible super hurrincanes.

Why, humidity would be the same...no more rain than normal, PLUS if it did rain, it will be acidic.

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How about a meteor strike in an area near one of the poles

What will that do? A tsunami? That only affects coasts?

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That means that most primitive societies will cluster around rivers, lakes, ponds, streams, oceans, inland seas, etc. What doe they all have in common? They all have flood plains associated with them. Given that, flooding is a problem

Its very unlikely it will be on a universal scale like that.

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Given the fact that the flood myth is univeral amongst all civilizations

Really? Do you have references?

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Posted 20 January 2006 - 03:14 AM

Flood myths are prevalent in most cultures, but they are not always the same myth.  Sometimes it is rain, sometimes rivers and seas swell.  Because flooding is a traumatic human event, it is logical sometime in the past of every culture there will be a memorable flood that will form the basis of a flood legend.  Also it is clear flood and other stories are taken from other cultures.  The Hebrew flood story seems to have been derived from the sumerian one, just as the eden story.


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Posted 20 January 2006 - 03:34 AM

No worldwide flood...sorry

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Posted 20 January 2006 - 10:22 AM

IF there was a flood which killed Dinosaurs.., then Why Cockroaches are still alive? I mean Cockroaches are also Prehistoric creatures, they should've been killed too...

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Posted 20 January 2006 - 06:18 PM

A flood never killed the dinosaurs..... no.gif

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