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#16    ShaunZero

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Posted 14 January 2006 - 11:37 AM

Maybe, the devil has managed to force man into adding false information into the bible to make it "contradict" itself. Just a thought. But I know how people will reply to this xD. "It's just an excuse!". But maybe Satan is confusing us with God's "false attributes".

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Posted 14 January 2006 - 11:40 AM

To see if the righteous can weed out the lies from the truth. Sometimes lying is necessary to get a point across. To deceive, even for a moment, can be very virtuous indeed.

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Posted 14 January 2006 - 11:42 AM

But no one will believe the righteous. They'll just say it's an excuse for the parts that contradict themselves, lol.

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Posted 14 January 2006 - 11:47 AM

Very true. I guess that's just the way the world works tongue.gif

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Posted 14 January 2006 - 11:52 AM

Yes. Very unfortunate. If anything similar to that would be true, barley anyone would be believing the truth =/

When is it ok to even consider such things? Never? =/

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Posted 14 January 2006 - 05:40 PM

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BM brought up a good point. Some believe it is the word of God based on text that was written by man. How do we really know God's attributes?


We don't..but some think he does


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Posted 14 January 2006 - 06:25 PM

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ahahhahah if god is all knowing.. then why would god test man if god already know the outcome of  any test.. so what good is a test if there is no need for it? what good is free will if god already know what you are going to do and the path you lead? doesn't logic just basically tears apart the whole god, divine thing? i wonder what excuses and explanations the bible people are going to respond with.


Tests still need to be completed, doesn't matter of the outcome, somethings still need to be done. I know if Im thirsty, I need to drink some water to wipe away the thirst. Knowing the outcome does not entail I don't still have to do what I have to do. God knew the outcomes, but he still had to do what he needed to receive that outcome.

As far as the Satans greatest trick, by far making the world believe he doesn't exist. With this, no one is afraid to sin, and no one will beleive in God if they do not believe in Satan. Therefore it's a win, win situation for Satan.

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Posted 14 January 2006 - 07:31 PM

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Well more people kill in Christ's name than Satan's tongue.gif
But perhaps that's because they are so passionate about their faith.  
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I agree Yele.

In the Bible how many can be attributed to Satan?

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Posted 14 January 2006 - 09:04 PM

Could the greatest trick satan has ever done is create the bible and get others to follow...........

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Posted 14 January 2006 - 10:22 PM

No, I think Satan would be a lot more clever than that. Because so many don't even read the Bible, and it's evident in a few discussions here (particularly in Wiccan threads). People claim that things happened in the Bible, that never did.
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Posted 14 January 2006 - 11:00 PM

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Actually to me, Satan and God make quite a team. And this is evident in the Book of Job. Satan asks permission from God to harm Job. And if God is all-knowing, he had to have known what the devil was up to in the Garden of Eden (I don't believe this though).


Well that's the concept of free will. If man has free will, why not the devil? So lets say God knew what the devil was doing, so what? If he was to stop it why give man free will?

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Then He is not omnipotent.
If He is able, but not willing
Then He is malevolent.
If He is both able and willing
Then whence cometh evil?
If He is neither able nor willing
Then why call Him God?
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Posted 14 January 2006 - 11:07 PM

Well obviously the devil has free will, and this is evident in his actions. But he still had to ask permission regardless. I don't think God is interested in stopping anything, because he "approves" of Satan's actions.


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Posted 15 January 2006 - 02:30 AM

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No, I think Satan would be a lot more clever than that. Because so many don't even read the Bible, and it's evident in a few discussions here (particularly in Wiccan threads). People claim that things happened in the Bible, that never did.
And zandore, nice site. thumbsup.gif


Ya give him more credit than he is due (speaking of satan that it)  happy.gif


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Posted 15 January 2006 - 02:35 AM

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Ya give him more credit than he is due (speaking of satan that it)  happy.gif

No I'm just saying that the Bible isn't clever. hmm.gif

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Posted 15 January 2006 - 03:11 AM

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No I'm just saying that the Bible isn't clever. hmm.gif


Hit the nail right on the head there happy.gif  it aint clever...no offence to those that read it


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