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[AsG1989]

So try to leave the body when your whole body is vibrating by "rolling" out. Now if you try to roll you might actually move your body then you gotta try again the next night. Heres another question I had, will my eyes be open when doing this? I know my eyes are closed before I leave, I mean after you leave the body. Do you feel like you can look around? or is what you 'see' just in your head.

[Soul Kitchen]

Seeker79, on 08 February 2011 - 09:46 PM, said:

keep in mind That I'm at a point now where I can feel the doorway (so to speak) in my mind. If it is opened I can walk through it quit easily. I can't really explain it. It's purely  an experiential feeling.

Certain character traits and physical development will help tremendously
1) pilanthropy ...... Constantly giving to others . (Take a 100 bucks buy cj burgers and a case of beer and water. Go into the city and give every homeless person you meet a burger a beer and a water) deep personal pilanthropy. Become a mentor in a big brothers big sisters program. Give every chance you get. I have a business ( martial arts school), and I make my services totally free with no questions asked if someone looses their job or can't aford it. I'm not trying to sound like some saint, but if you are extended to others the spirits will be extended to you and help you grow. It's a componant I think that's largly missed.

2) fear work and self reflection. The more you conquer fears and anxiety the more capable you will be. Alone in the wilderness for days or even weeks at a time forces you to be completely Alone with yourself and your fears. After the third day your thoughts turn inward.    

3) body awareness. I have been in martial arts my entire life, but dance is good to. Also I think Robert Bruce's energy work would be helpful. Haveing decent spacial awareness is very helpful  

4) meditation practice. Meditation is key. I would be very surprised if anyone had decent success without a consistant mediatation practice.

My process
If I want travel at night I will mediatate for an hour then take a nap at about 3-6 or so often listening to Tibetan meditation music or drumming. Then go to bed at 10. And start my journy. Or I'll wake up at 2 or three read something for an hour then go.

To initiate I relax close my eyes and see the blackness behind my eyes as a three dimentional space. I watch my nural discharges and wipe away any errant thoughts that show up. This is where it gets tricky. You guys will simply have to hold this state until you feel vibrations. After you have been doing for a while at least for me I can tell when the "door " is open and push my conciousness through it. I wish I could explaine it better, but I dont know how.

Right as vibrations start I hear the loud waterfall rushing noise. This is when I exit either by just getting up very quickly, rolling, or floating up. Floating up is not a visualization, it's as if you have muscles to propel you upwards.

That's it. Not a hole lot to the actualy process. Sometimes I can just feel that my mind is in the right spot and I can do it in seconds. Other times I try and try for hours ....., and nothing. Most the time it's successful though

Just quoting this because I think it's useful for people to see

[Seeker79]

AsG1989, on 10 February 2011 - 02:15 AM, said:

So try to leave the body when your whole body is vibrating by "rolling" out. Now if you try to roll you might actually move your body then you gotta try again the next night. Heres another question I had, will my eyes be open when doing this? I know my eyes are closed before I leave, I mean after you leave the body. Do you feel like you can look around? or is what you 'see' just in your head.

Yes.... I guess it is possible that you move in normal reality, I'm pretty sure that once vibrations start tour body is pretty much paralyzed. I have yet to do it physically. The times when I thought I did I was actually out.  Your astrial eyes will open just like your real eyes. It feels the same..... It is not an imagined visilization experience,.... In my opinion the people that practice journies that way are not really doing anything but imagining things. I have even seen gurus do this, and it might be a good meditation but it's not the real deal. When it happens you will have a tough time telling if your out or not. I sugest walking around your room a bit testing things even if you think your not out. You might  be. And probably are. Just think about floating up. If you do it's obviouse. You can also look at your hands. Keep your focus this might freek you bit, but watch them they might fade away or melt.

[human_eraser]

AsG1989, on 10 February 2011 - 02:15 AM, said:

So try to leave the body when your whole body is vibrating by "rolling" out. Now if you try to roll you might actually move your body then you gotta try again the next night. Heres another question I had, will my eyes be open when doing this? I know my eyes are closed before I leave, I mean after you leave the body. Do you feel like you can look around? or is what you 'see' just in your head.

Well, I'm no pro, but I think you can move. A bit. If you move though, the vibrations will disappear rapidly. 1st time I had the vibrations, I believe my eyes were closed, but I could still see. 2nd and 3rd time I was in SP, and my eyes were open, but couldn't really see that well. Idk. Anyway, what I did is I imagined myself being pushed from my body. Like when your in a swimming pool and you push of the wall. You don't push your legs. You "vision", or in essence, "project" that you will do it. If you get out, you won't be in your bed, and if you didn't project where to go you'll just be bouncing around in your house.

[Lusca_2112]

Seeker79, on 09 February 2011 - 08:29 PM, said:

A vision quest might start you off in the right direction.

I would love to hear more about Vision Quests. Would this be something that could be covered in this thread or would PM be better? Thank you so much Seeker, I can feel how your tips are helping even though I have yet to intentionally project.

[Seeker79]

Seeker79, on 27 July 2010 - 07:14 AM, said:

it sounds like your guide has put into your head to go there. Do not deny that you should start planning now. I have a four year old and a half year old and a three year old. And a zero year old that has visited me a few times. Yes kids are a wonderous thing, but remember you are a better parent to them if you are balanced. Listen to your spiritual impulses and your childrens health will follow yours. Quick spirit quest. Find someone to take care of your child for four days. Stop eating on day one and only drink water. Have a small space in a remote place away from people. Make a ring of stones. 10 feet in diameter. Dig a small bathroom hole twenty feet away. Three gallons of water and a very warm blanket.... Not a sleeping bag. Enter your circle on day two. You may only drink water. And you may only leave the circle to releive yourself. You may not lie down. U can stand up but you must try with all of your might to not lye down and sleep. You will fail evenchually and that is ok, but try. Now stay up the next three days meditating on how thankful you are for what you have if you fall asleep or spontaniously travel try to return to your meditation. When your thoughts stray return to feeling thankful for every moment with your child to every drop of water that touches your lips. Instead of traveling like you nomally do the spirit world will come to you this time and you can stay in your body. It is a very difficult endevours but life changing everytime.

Everybody is a little different but here is what you will experience in order.
1. Extreme bordom. It will be very very hard to continue. But you must be disceplined.
2. Extreme fear. Especially your first night. Everything will seem out to get u. The trees the noises. Your own breath. You will want to run. Don't stay focused on your meditation.
3. Releif and the most thankful you have ever been just for light.
4. Aproaching the second night..deep dread. You will be sure that you can't possibly do another night. Try to resist ending it with all your being. Maintain your meditation or let your thoghts wonder. But try not to fall assleep. Do not lay down. Sit up everytime you doze, and try to refocus your mind.
5. This second day is going to be very strange. You will start to see everything in new strange ways. Your thoghts will scatter and focus on their own. Your surroundings may not even be recognizable. Things will be bright and vivid, you may start to see meanings in the smallest sounds or movements of insects or clouds.
6. As the third night aproaches, steady yourself. You are in for a wild ride. Refocus your meditations and efforts to stay awake. You may stand up and do whatever(I often here music or drums and dance for what seems like hours.) but forbid yourself from leaving the circle. It is dangerouse to leave now. This night you will talk with the spirits around you and you may contact your guide. Make sure to squash any fear with determination. If you slip out of your body be sure to try and go back. This night the spirit world is to come to you.

At some time during the night you will have experienced something increadibly powerful. you will know. When this happens you make curl up in your blanket and sleep. You must make sure you are fully rested before leaving the circle. It is best to have someone to come and get you. definatly make sure your are 100% before driving.



it sounds like your guide has put into your head to go there. Do not deny that you should start planning now. I have a four year old and a half year old and a three year old. And a zero year old that has visited me a few times. Yes kids are a wonderous thing, but remember you are a better parent to them if you are balanced. Listen to your spiritual impulses and your childrens health will follow yours. Quick spirit quest. Find someone to take care of your child for four days. Stop eating on day one and only drink water. Have a small space in a remote place away from people. Make a ring of stones. 10 feet in diameter. Dig a small bathroom hole twenty feet away. Three gallons of water and a very warm blanket.... Not a sleeping bag. Enter your circle on day two. You may only drink water. And you may only leave the circle to releive yourself. You may not lie down. U can stand up but you must try with all of your might to not lye down and sleep. You will fail evenchually and that is ok, but try. Now stay up the next three days meditating on how thankful you are for what you have if you fall asleep or spontaniously travel try to return to your meditation. When your thoughts stray return to feeling thankful for every moment with your child to every drop of water that touches your lips. Instead of traveling like you nomally do the spirit world will come to you this time and you can stay in your body. It is a very difficult endevours but life changing everytime.

Everybody is a little different but here is what you will experience in order.
1. Extreme bordom. It will be very very hard to continue. But you must be disceplined.
2. Extreme fear. Especially your first night. Everything will seem out to get u. The trees the noises. Your own breath. You will want to run. Don't stay focused on your meditation.
3. Releif and the most thankful you have ever been just for light.
4. Aproaching the second night..deep dread. You will be sure that you can't possibly do another night. Try to resist ending it with all your being. Maintain your meditation or let your thoghts wonder. But try not to fall assleep. Do not lay down. Sit up everytime you doze, and try to refocus your mind.
5. This second day is going to be very strange. You will start to see everything in new strange ways. Your thoghts will scatter and focus on their own. Your surroundings may not even be recognizable. Things will be bright and vivid, you may start to see meanings in the smallest sounds or movements of insects or clouds.
6. As the third night aproaches, steady yourself. You are in for a wild ride. Refocus your meditations and efforts to stay awake. You may stand up and do whatever(I often here music or drums and dance for what seems like hours.) but forbid yourself from leaving the circle. It is dangerouse to leave now. This night you will talk with the spirits around you and you may contact your guide. Make sure to squash any fear with determination. If you slip out of your body be sure to try and go back. This night the spirit world is to come to you.

At some time during the night you will have experienced something increadibly powerful. you will know. When this happens you make curl up in your blanket and sleep. You must make sure you are fully rested before leaving the circle. It is best to have someone to come and get you. definatly make sure your are 100% before driving.

Here I posted it a while back

[AsG1989]

Can you control where you AP to? or is it random where you open your astral eyes? Is there a way to project into the room your laying down in everytime?

[Seeker79]

AsG1989, on 11 February 2011 - 03:54 PM, said:

Can you control where you AP to? or is it random where you open your astral eyes? Is there a way to project into the room your laying down in everytime?

I always project into my room. I come strait out. Then go places. Depending why you are there sometimes other spirits will come to get you or take control of your movements. Not often, but when something important is to be communicated. Here I will post my journal of my first contct with the plaidies spirit. Or have I already done this..... No I think I posted my last contact with it. I have to delete a few personal things in it hold on.

[Seeker79]

AsG1989, on 11 February 2011 - 03:54 PM, said:

Can you control where you AP to? or is it random where you open your astral eyes? Is there a way to project into the room your laying down in everytime?

I always project into my room. I come strait out. Then go places. Depending why you are there sometimes other spirits will come to get you or take control of your movements. Not often, but when something important is to be communicated. Here I will post my journal of my first contct with the plaidies spirit. Or have I already done this..... No I think I posted my last contact with it. I have to delete a few personal things in it hold on.

---- the symbol ended up being the shape of the mask of the black faced pliedies god--- for the navajos it is a creation god---- this all happened before I knew anything about it..... The story is pretty thick but--- I'm trying to show that sometimes spirits take control of you to assist you in your growth, so don't be scared.

9/17
 I initiated the vibrations this morning while on my sofa again. It's been tough to set up the proper frame of mind fir long journies, so in the mornings I can take short trips. 

There have been sets of syncronicities surounding that movie Donnie darko again, and another movie given to me from a student. I have had stronger feelings that have i have to read jungs book on syncronocity. I guess I'll have to order it. Basically I know what it Is about now. I'm supposed to be training myself on a few things......where is the time. The spirit world is demanding things, but there is only so many hours on the day.

Journy
I did initiate the vibrations this morning. They were very faint, but I managed to float out. I did not have a goal, still working on control. A few days ago I lost control while trying to travel ended up falling through my house into the ground. I ended the session and did not journal about it. 

This morning I lifted out and flew up into the morning sun. I was thinking that it would be interesting to visit the sun, so I turned and started toword it, then I stoped and thought better of it. If there is some sort of physical/sceintific aspect to my spirit body, I figured it would not be a good idea to go anywhere near the sun. There has been some research by Robert munroe that electromagnatizm can affect a spirit body. 

At this point I realized I was flying straight up, but not under my control. Here we go again I thought. I ended up in space just past the earths atmosphere. The earth was undernith me, an increadible sight. 

I was looking up at the mass of stars. There are so many more looking at it that way. Masses of them. My eye was drawn to a tiny cluster of stars that were so close together they almost looked like they were a solid object.

I remember saying "what is that", at that point herd a loud voice say "I AM THE LIGHT!". I was shocked, this is all new kinds of experienced, but I had been asking to take another step in my abilitties.

At that a mass of light rays started shooting from the small cluster of stars. But it was creating something. The rays out lined a shape and brought to form a large block letter C. Ha! **** experiment maby! I'm Leary though, these kinds of things are rarely obviouse,,,,, but maby they can be. 

The "C"  was blue and looked like a computer generated block letter. If started falling toword me. As it passed me and fell toword the earth, I herd a loud sound that sounded like thunder, as it boomed the "C" morphed into more of an "E", but not the letter, more like the C with a thick line comeing directly from the center of the curve and stoping at the gap. Something like this symbol € but with only one line dead center, not extending to the left but flush with the letter itself. The line is much thicker to match the width of the block letter itself.

I terminated the session, picked my phone up to journal it, there was an email aletering me that ***** had responded...... Coincidence?

Thoughts
Wow. Did  the "Light" just send me something. I had been feeling stagnant in my journies, and had asked for something. I got it. What could that symbol mean? How do you research something when you don't have a name for it? Could the "C" be a refrence to ****. I'd like to think so, but the images were so powerful. It seems like it was something else. Exciting.

[Seeker79]

Ok, so I completed a journy this morning actually about 45 minutes ago. This one has a bit of a muture subject, so please if anyone responds do so maturely. I'm hesitant to post for lots of reasons but some of you have asked me to, so I'm going to honor that, but please honor the spirit in which I'm posting aswell. I think it's valuable to show these things to others. For me aswell. I obviously don't have an outlet for this material unless it's anonomouse, so thank you all for listening.

Vision log

Feb 12 2011
Wow!!!! I got up early this morning to set up a journy. An online friend of mine has a problem and some powerful syncronistic events has caught my attention. I rarely journy for people I don't really know but this cannot be ignored. But. But. But. Something else was availabe. My wifes identical twin sister (Jen) and her cousin (Sara) were staying in the guest bedroom. It just so happens they are both trying to get pregnant. jen has suffered a miscarrige and Sara has suffered several. They are staying over because there is a club they like to go that us not far from our house, and the both live far away now. Jen is feeling very..... well.... discouraged because my wife is pregnant and we have two boys already, and she has been trying a long time and it's not happening. She is afraid it won't happen.  

So I thought this was a rare oportunity to test a thought I have had. These two women are very close family. I lived with them during college, and I care very deeply for both of them.

I went down stairs to the sofa. It's not far from the guest bedroom. It took me a while to initiate vibrations, but I did. I got out of body by just getting up. I wasn't sure if I was out. So I did a float check. Yes. Great. Then I proceeded to the bedroom door. I was nervouse because I wasn't sure if I was crossing any ethical bounderies. But my intentions are noble, so I thought what the hell. I get to the door and have to decide to open or go through it. Go through it of course. It's tuff to shake normal reality habits. I'm still nervouse because if for some reason Im not in spirit this going to look very bad, and I'm going go scare the crap out of them. Going through the door is my final check. I even expected it to squeek like it always does but it didnt. Sheewww !!!!

So I'm standing over the bed. Something is wrong. There is only one person under the covers there should be two. But this person is much bigger..... Earlyer I was wondering how I was going to do this for both of them. I beleive it was a representation of both of them. 

Ok, here It gets a little well.....  ( I'm posting this journal to the forums , please understand that non of this is ment to be sexual, but i was attempting something involving reproduction, so the little minds out there that think this might be creepy, I have no interest in hearing from. I care very much for these people and this is about love, nothing more)

I reach over and reach inside of her, my intention is to call forth the red orb that the plaidies spirit gave me and leave it there. I'm just about to do that when she responds to me in such a way that seems like she is about to welcome it. 

Here is where I have to be honest.... The sexual connotations of it made me loose focus. The moment after I was back in my body. Feeling guilty of course, but I'm human. My mistake was reaching in. There is no reason I can't stand away and send the orb into her from a distance. I'll try again. There is no reason why I can't fly to their houses and try again latter. 

Crazy, Crazy, Crazy. If none of this is real then I'm a nutcase.            

I look forward to all of your comments.

Edited by Seeker79, 12 February 2011 - 03:33 PM.

[SlimJim22]

Few things here Seek I think. First this red orb business. What makes you think it is linked to fertility? It could be but apparently green orbs are more related to healing/fertility. Red orbs are energy/restlessness. Maybe your mate was giving it to you.

http://www.coastghosts.com/orbs.htm

The Black Faced god is the fire god of the Navajho but not in the literal sense. Fire is the active principle in nature and is usually to do with beginnings. Funnly enough in India the fire god is Agni and is also got links to the Pleiades. I am also thinking the red orb could be a symbol of the root chakra. Do you do any chakra work? Had any strange sensations in the base of your spine recently.

Above all other constellations the Pleiades may be the most mysterious. Good but heavy link.

http://hans.wyrdweb....royed-paradise/

Wishing all the best to you and those close to you. If I was you I would look into chakras and to help your friends you might need access to these energy vortices for that is what they are.

[Seeker79]

For the natives Americans I thought red was linked to life. Blood being what carries it. I was assuming these things to be healing oriented. That's what Im interested in anyway. Hahaha I'm not sure spirits/gods/angels/aliens whatever care what I am interested in. The orb is a blood red color.  Are all pleidies spirits related to fire? I read some stuff in the black faced god, it seemed it had multiple functions..... I will look for more info. The blackness being the sky and the plaiedies stars on his temple. Are their other plaudes spirits with different functions? I'm mostly trying to figure things out slim. I can journy practically every morning if I want. But there is still alot of confusion.

[Seeker79]

In the vision the stars of the cluster turned this blood red color. Then collapsed into one then floated down to land and be absorbed by my hand. I then  spent some moments calling it up. And controlling it.

I assumed it was a tool of some sort.

I do here what you are saying about root chakras though. Evidently trust in other people is associated with the root chakra, and this is my most troubling aspect of myself. I have not done much work and thought on chakras though. I'm starting to get more interested in it. I would like to learn to control the vibrations around my body and even bring them up in a more waking state of conciousness. Anyway for now all I can do is learn and experiment.

I'm actually going to post journies back on a blog. Instead of here. That way we can focus on those of you learning. Thanks slim.

[Seeker79]

I just went to that orb link. I don't think it is the samething as those orbs. But i can't really know that. I have a feeling it's more of a communication. I find that the things I see don't really fit into some of the Normal paranormal culture. But I'm still learning.

[SlimJim22]

Seeker79, on 12 February 2011 - 10:59 PM, said:

For the natives Americans I thought red was linked to life. Blood being what carries it. I was assuming these things to be healing oriented. That's what Im interested in anyway. Hahaha I'm not sure spirits/gods/angels/aliens whatever care what I am interested in. The orb is a blood red color.  Are all pleidies spirits related to fire? I read some stuff in the black faced god, it seemed it had multiple functions..... I will look for more info. The blackness being the sky and the plaiedies stars on his temple. Are their other plaudes spirits with different functions? I'm mostly trying to figure things out slim. I can journy practically every morning if I want. But there is still alot of confusion.

Pleiades are tied to so many mysteries. The second link I posted has some crazy stuff on them. The central sun Alcyone and the king fisher and of course Orion the hunter/fool.

Blood is indeed a symbol of life in some cultures so it is hard to say for sure.

For sure I do not understand Navajo cosmology but I do see the odd parallel with other cultures.

http://www.abitabout...avajo mythology