Jump to content




Welcome to Unexplained Mysteries! Please sign in or create an account to start posting and to access a host of extra features.


- - - - -

Exorcisms


  • Please log in to reply
49 replies to this topic

#16    ShaunZero

ShaunZero

    Non-Corporeal Being

  • Member
  • 8,339 posts
  • Joined:13 May 2005
  • Gender:Male

Posted 13 February 2006 - 06:29 AM

Sherri, you just agreed with us.

Quote

mental illness doesn't just happen its a process over time.


That is exactly what we're saying. So we're asking you to explain the people who become possessed[I mean mentaly ill] all of a sudden out of the clear blue sky. With no symptons or any reason before it happened. And they start cussing God, and doing other things related to being possessed.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?" ~ George Carlin
Are you a cynic?

#17    Sherapy

Sherapy

    Sheri loves Sean loves Sheri...

  • Member
  • 21,714 posts
  • Joined:14 Jun 2005
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:At the Beach-- San Pedro, California

  • The giving of love is an education in itself.
    ~Eleanor Roosevelt

Posted 13 February 2006 - 06:35 AM



Zero here are your scriptures that infer the worthlessness of man he is incapable of doing anything he is naturally in sin, and not able to do things without the instrucution of 'god'  and anything he does do is becasue of god not any thing from him the bible creates a dependent relationship not a interdependent one is what I'm saying.  grin2.gif  
Genesis 4
Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant
and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of
the LORD I have brought forth a man."
Genesis 4:1    NIV


Exodus 2
During that long period, the king of Egypt died.
The Israelites groaned in their slavery and cried
out, and their cry for help because of their
slavery went up to God.
Exodus 2:23    NIV


Exodus 4
Now go; I will help you speak and will teach you what to say."
Exodus 4:12    NIV


Exodus 4
You shall speak to him and put words in his mouth;
I will help both of you speak and will teach you what to do.
Exodus 4:15    NIV


Deuteronomy 33
And this he said about Judah: "Hear, O LORD, the cry
of Judah; bring him to his people. With his own hands
he defends his cause. Oh, be his help against his foes!"
Deuteronomy 33:7    NIV


Deuteronomy 33
"There is no one like the God of Jeshurun, who rides
on the heavens to help you and on the clouds in his majesty.
Deuteronomy 33:26    NIV


Deuteronomy 33
Blessed are you, O Israel! Who is like you, a people saved
by the LORD? He is your shield and helper and your glorious
sword. Your enemies will cower before you, and you will
trample down their high places."
Deuteronomy 33:29    NIV


Joshua 14
Now give me this hill country that the LORD promised
me that day. You yourself heard then that the Anakites
were there and their cities were large and fortified,
but, the LORD helping me, I will drive them out just as
he said."
Joshua 14:12    NIV


Joshua 24
But they cried to the LORD for help, and he put
darkness between you and the Egyptians; he brought
the sea over them and covered them. You saw with
your own eyes what I did to the Egyptians. Then
you lived in the desert for a long time.
Joshua 24:7    NIV


1 Samuel 12
"After Jacob entered Egypt, they cried to the LORD
for help, and the LORD sent Moses and Aaron, who
brought your forefathers out of Egypt and settled
them in this place.
1 Samuel 12:8    NIV


1 Samuel 14
But the men said to Saul, "Should Jonathan die--he
who has brought about this great deliverance in Israel?
Never! As surely as the LORD lives, not a hair of his
head will fall to the ground, for he did this today
with God's help." So the men rescued Jonathan, and he
was not put to death.
1 Samuel 14:45    NIV







#18    ShaunZero

ShaunZero

    Non-Corporeal Being

  • Member
  • 8,339 posts
  • Joined:13 May 2005
  • Gender:Male

Posted 13 February 2006 - 06:39 AM

All I see is a God trying to help us better understand the world and ourselves. He's teaching them. How do you get anything "worthless" out of this? Unless you consider anyone who accepts help from a God to be "worthless". That means you consider people who need help worthless. I see beauty in those scriptures.

Edited by ZeroShadow, 13 February 2006 - 06:40 AM.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?" ~ George Carlin
Are you a cynic?

#19    Sherapy

Sherapy

    Sheri loves Sean loves Sheri...

  • Member
  • 21,714 posts
  • Joined:14 Jun 2005
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:At the Beach-- San Pedro, California

  • The giving of love is an education in itself.
    ~Eleanor Roosevelt

Posted 13 February 2006 - 06:44 AM

How do you explain the possessed people (oh excuse me, *cough* mentally ill people *cough*) that suddenly have this stuff happen to them and prior to that they weren't depressed, they weren't abused, they weren't told they were worthless and in fact have a great life: loving family, girl or boy friend, good job or career, strong religious belief (or sometimes no religious belief in this sort of thing), and have, or live in, a household that makes enough money to live very comfortably? Do they suddenly wake up one day beaten down by all of their blessings and think they're the devil too???

In this post EofE is saying that this just doesn't happen with no warning ??correct?? that is not true there are tons of symtoms my mom was possessed for a year before with plenty of symptoms my dad was in Denial. also few are not religous and possessed, Its a religous brain child. the people who I have know personally were deeply in religion, tormented by the  beleifs I hold a strong stance that religon becasue of its teaching will scare people into a state of mental illness or think and act like they are possessed i have seen things that are so sad, REligoin can be very dangerous in some cases. namsate sheri




#20    ShaunZero

ShaunZero

    Non-Corporeal Being

  • Member
  • 8,339 posts
  • Joined:13 May 2005
  • Gender:Male

Posted 13 February 2006 - 06:46 AM

He just stated that some don't even have religious backgrounds with such things. And the possessions come on suddenly, something that a mental illness won't normaly do without signs or reasons beforehand.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?" ~ George Carlin
Are you a cynic?

#21    Sherapy

Sherapy

    Sheri loves Sean loves Sheri...

  • Member
  • 21,714 posts
  • Joined:14 Jun 2005
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:At the Beach-- San Pedro, California

  • The giving of love is an education in itself.
    ~Eleanor Roosevelt

Posted 13 February 2006 - 06:49 AM

its creating a dependent relationship which is unhealthy and dysfunctional, many relationships are based in this need and looking to another to make them whole. Interdependent means you work as a team. one isn't greater or lessor both are congruent to the whole, REligion uses fear and a hieriarchial order to make one dependent, love which is unconditional is not dependent the natural essence of love is free, limitless and eternal.  grin2.gif

Edited by Sheri berri, 13 February 2006 - 06:50 AM.




#22    ShaunZero

ShaunZero

    Non-Corporeal Being

  • Member
  • 8,339 posts
  • Joined:13 May 2005
  • Gender:Male

Posted 13 February 2006 - 06:51 AM

A creator who gave you the ability to even exist, is indeed above you. There's nothing you can do about that. I, accept this and love my creator. If you don't agree with that, and the way I see those scriptures, then go ahead and disagree, but let us move on with this topic.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?" ~ George Carlin
Are you a cynic?

#23    Sherapy

Sherapy

    Sheri loves Sean loves Sheri...

  • Member
  • 21,714 posts
  • Joined:14 Jun 2005
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:At the Beach-- San Pedro, California

  • The giving of love is an education in itself.
    ~Eleanor Roosevelt

Posted 13 February 2006 - 06:54 AM

Quote


He just stated that some don't even have religious backgrounds with such things. And the possessions come on suddenly, something that a mental illness won't normaly do without signs or reasons beforehand.

you guys don't know about mental illness you are going on heresay there are always symptoms and cause, rooted in beleif, one can't be 'possessed 'or mentally ill without beleiving they can be, you just beleive things 'just happen. there are no accidents  there is always cause and effect. namsate sheri




#24    TheEssenceofExcellence

TheEssenceofExcellence

    Extraterrestrial Entity

  • Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 430 posts
  • Joined:06 Jun 2005
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:North Carolina

  • May the Lord bless you, your house, and all your endeavors.

Posted 13 February 2006 - 06:55 AM

Me too Zero....  

Trying to use blessed scripture to show God doesn't care, or to show God trys to say people are worthless is about the dumbest thing I've ever seen someone try to do, and sheri don't feel bad, you aren't the first person to try.

The fact is, seeing as how God created everyone and everything; and seeing how everything that gets done is done through him, since if he wasn't in us we would cease to be......we Can't do anything without the Lord.  It doesn't mean anyone is worthless, that's just a twisted interpratation.

Those quotes of scripture show how much God loves his people and how he helps them through their journey of life.  It shows how God keeps his word by keeping his promises and stuff like that.  Sheri you need serious spiritual help if you see bad in those quotes you posted.

Ignatius to the Magnesians: "It is therefore fitting, that we should not only be called Christians, but be so.

#25    ShaunZero

ShaunZero

    Non-Corporeal Being

  • Member
  • 8,339 posts
  • Joined:13 May 2005
  • Gender:Male

Posted 13 February 2006 - 06:58 AM

Quote

you guys don't know about mental illness you are going on heresay there are always symptoms and cause, rooted in beleif, one can't be 'possessed 'or mentally ill without beleiving they can be, you just beleive things 'just happen. there are no accidents there is always cause and effect. namsate sheri


So then some of the people that become possessed are not mentaly ill. Thanks Sherri for clearing that up!



Exactly EofE. By the way, I like that name.  thumbsup.gif

Edited by ZeroShadow, 13 February 2006 - 06:59 AM.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?" ~ George Carlin
Are you a cynic?

#26    Sherapy

Sherapy

    Sheri loves Sean loves Sheri...

  • Member
  • 21,714 posts
  • Joined:14 Jun 2005
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:At the Beach-- San Pedro, California

  • The giving of love is an education in itself.
    ~Eleanor Roosevelt

Posted 13 February 2006 - 06:59 AM

Quote


A creator who gave you the ability to even exist, is indeed above you. There's nothing you can do about that. I, accept this and love my creator. If you don't agree with that, and the way I see those scriptures, then go ahead and disagree, but let us move on with this topic.



You are defining conditional love that is mans understanding of that which is divine Zero there is much you don't understand, You can beleive however you want whatever works for you (god will show up to you in the way you THINK (beleive) . Look at that very deeply and you will see the truth of it. back on topic grin2.gif




#27    ShaunZero

ShaunZero

    Non-Corporeal Being

  • Member
  • 8,339 posts
  • Joined:13 May 2005
  • Gender:Male

Posted 13 February 2006 - 07:00 AM

Quote

You are defining conditional love that is mans understanding of that which is divine Zero there is much you don't understand


Ohhh and so do you buddy. Even if we learn and grow in different ways and on different paths, I don't mind watching us both grow and learn new things. But don't pretend there's not much you don't understand.

Edited by ZeroShadow, 13 February 2006 - 07:00 AM.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?" ~ George Carlin
Are you a cynic?

#28    TheEssenceofExcellence

TheEssenceofExcellence

    Extraterrestrial Entity

  • Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 430 posts
  • Joined:06 Jun 2005
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:North Carolina

  • May the Lord bless you, your house, and all your endeavors.

Posted 13 February 2006 - 07:01 AM

Sheri like Zero tried to say for me before I saw your other post.....  I was talking about how possessed people don't show any signs, they get possessed over night and then they have doctors trying to tell them they're mentally ill which they aren't.  Like you have even said mentally ill people don't manifest an illness over night it happens over time, with many signs in between.  Possessed people don't show these signs, they are perfectly fine and then suddenly exhibit signs of possession.


Thanks Zero, I like it too.

Edited by TheEssenceofExcellence, 13 February 2006 - 07:05 AM.

Ignatius to the Magnesians: "It is therefore fitting, that we should not only be called Christians, but be so.

#29    ShaunZero

ShaunZero

    Non-Corporeal Being

  • Member
  • 8,339 posts
  • Joined:13 May 2005
  • Gender:Male

Posted 13 February 2006 - 07:04 AM

Exactly. If anything, the "power of suggestion" that skeptics like to use as an excuse could be a reason for someone to become mentaly ill after a possession! Skeptics pound into their skull that they're mentaly ill when they aren't [not talking about all cases, I'm sure their are plenty who really are just mentaly ill].

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?" ~ George Carlin
Are you a cynic?

#30    Sherapy

Sherapy

    Sheri loves Sean loves Sheri...

  • Member
  • 21,714 posts
  • Joined:14 Jun 2005
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:At the Beach-- San Pedro, California

  • The giving of love is an education in itself.
    ~Eleanor Roosevelt

Posted 13 February 2006 - 07:08 AM

Quote


Me too Zero....  

Trying to use blessed scripture to show God doesn't care, or to show God trys to say people are worthless is about the dumbest thing I've ever seen someone try to do, and sheri don't feel bad, you aren't the first person to try.

The fact is, seeing as how God created everyone and everything; and seeing how everything that gets done is done through him, since if he wasn't in us we would cease to be......we Can't do anything without the Lord.  It doesn't mean anyone is worthless, that's just a twisted interpratation.

Those quotes of scripture show how much God loves his people and how he helps them through their journey of life.  It shows how God keeps his word by keeping his promises and stuff like that.  Sheri you need serious spiritual help if you see bad in those quotes you posted.



You are confirming what i am saying E of E,  showing in your post in your own words the same thing I'm saying proving  this is a valid observation ,then your psot goes into how i    i am persecuting religion and am not the first to do this and  it doesn't mean this and how could I say this and its been topped off with an wagging finger oh you better not say that sheri' this is the standard post by religion IME  nasmaste Sheri







0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users