[Roj47]

http://www.intersurf...ony/FOG10a.html

refers to the frozen trees etc.... This is the best I am able to find on the net in the time I have available.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...diedtrans.shtml

relates to the flood basalt. I was right that 6000 years ago didnt seem right

Sorry these are long pages of information, but it is the best I can manage without screwing up the flow of information in the pages.

R47

[Roj47]

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The current concensus is that the map is the 'best guess' approximation of the crew that sailed around the Antartic.

true, but isnt the earliest recoded date of any human (civilised?) exploring the region to be 1830s whereas the map is 15th centuary and argued to be copied from earlier maps?

The oher interesting fact is the map does accurately (luckily?) have the location of raised areas only recently proven in the 60s as being `generally accurate`?

I do apologise that a lot of this is regurgatated, but I have not found arguements against, and the above seems a good arguement at the moment.

R47

[aquatus1]

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true, but isnt the earliest recoded date of any human (civilised?) exploring the region to be 1830s whereas the map is 15th centuary and argued to be copied from earlier maps?

Not at all! The Vikings are known to have discovered America in the early 1000, and studies are currently underway that indicate the Romans and the Chinese might have been there even earlier.

We are a restless species. We wander.

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The oher interesting fact is the map does accurately (luckily?) have the location of raised areas only recently proven in the 60s as being `generally accurate`?

Not under the ice, however. The raised areas you are referring to (I am assuming you are referring to the ones in Daniken's books?) are actual ice mounts, not underground mountains covered with ice. It really isn't all that difficult to guess at the topography under the ice, when you understand that ice flows like water, only much slower. A professional map-maker could easily make a general guess as to what the ice was flowing around.

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I do apologise that a lot of this is regurgatated, but I have not found arguements against, and the above seems a good arguement at the moment.R47

It isn't the arguments, but rather the conclusions that certain authors with a creative outlook on reality decided to publish, that are debatable here. Conclusions work in two ways, after all. The Piri Reis map is reasonably accurate if one assumes that the Antartic was covered with ice at the time, however, if the land was indeed visible, then the map-makers were far from competent, completely missing an existing land bridge to South America, and deciding that land existed where we know today is nothing but the Ross Ice Shelf.

[capeo]

The last time the poles changed entirely was about 750,000 to 780,000 years ago and it showed no effects on life at the time. Geology seems to show a flip on average about every 200,000 years so we're due.

http://science.nasa....gneticfield.htm

As for the Piri map, I thought that was put to bed a long time ago. Experts have all concluded that the map shows argentina. The inscriptions on the map all speak of it getting warmer as they traveled over the coast and the fauna depicted (aside from the obvious mythological creatures) were certainly south american, as well the descriptions of the people they met. I'll look for a link.

[capeo]

Piri Reis:

http://www.megaliths...Site/reiscurves
http://home.student....er/pirireis.htm
http://thehallofmaat...=article&sid=91

[jesspy]

This whole pole switch thing is interesting. This is where I thought the bermuda and Devil triangle (Off Japan) came from. They were once poles this would explain alot of the dissapearances . Appaerntly if you drill a hole in the middle of the Bermuda you come out in the middle of the Devils Triangle.

Here are some links on the topic
Pole shift Forum

this guy forsees a Pole shift

Pole Shift! About.com

just another thing will this happen gradually or will one day suddenly we are taken for a ride. Would people survive the force that would be needed to change poles in a matter of days. I can see it happeneing in a few thousands of years even in hundreds maybe even in years but not over a course of days or hours

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[Essan]

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This whole pole switch thing is interesting. This is where I thought the bermuda and Devil triangle (Off Japan) came from. They were once poles

Simply put, no. There have never been magnetic poles in those regions. Nor, as I recall, have either been situated over the geographic poles within the last 1,000 million years. Sorry.

[Master Sage]

Eathrts Poles shift about every 200k years. We're realy overdue.

[Roj47]

aquatus1>>

Agreed that writers will cover their own theory from a bias.
Would you happen to know any further reading I can look into please?
More on a mission to know than argue

on the date of 1830 - maybe this is the first recognised date that has been proven without dispute.

I would agree that many civilisations (including Maya) would have the ability to take to the sea.

From the most mundane example I can think of that time when I was 4 with my dad and we rowed in the boating lake to the central island `to see it, and wander` as you put it

Oh how I wish documentation had not been destroyed all those years ago

[ecollier2012]

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ok, I need some imput, the pole shift is most assuredly going to happen, but when do you think, and what will happen?

Possibly as soon as 2012 acording to the site http://www.polereversal.com

www.PoleReversal.com

[shikon1]

didnt that mamoth that was flash frozen with the grass still in its mouth frozen during the last pole shift?

[Rosencruez]

Humans have an "atmosphere," an electro-magnetic shield which can be clairvoyantly observed. We call it an "aura." Our thoughts can weaken this force-field by lowering its rate of vibration.

The earth has an "aura." Think about it. If humans have an electromagnetic field surrounding them, and that field is affected by the quality of the thoughts of humans, extrapolate that out to the earth's "aura." The magnetic field of the earth is sensitive to the collective thoughts of humanity. The earth's magnetic field is rapidly weakening, lowering its vibration, becoming more unstable.

It is a self-correcting mechanism designed into the system. Every so often the earth reboots itself when the magnetosphere weakens past a certain point due to the psychic atmospheric changes. The Wise Ones understood this. No wonder they also understood the importance of the aurora borealis, and timed their meditations around them. They understood sunspots as well.

Cro maat,
A frater

[Tokoyo]

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didnt that mamoth that was flash frozen with the grass still in its mouth frozen during the last pole shift?

That's not a good sign....

[WereBo]

Another pointer towards a planetary 'surface slip' is the disappearing ice caps.

A simple experiment for you to do at home....

Upend a pushbike , any size - kid's or adult... spin one wheel, it rolls nice and smoothly... fix a nut and bolt or something weighty to 1 spoke, then spin again... The wheel is off balance and wobbles... A heavy enough weight would throw the bike over...

Scale that up to the planet spinning happily along it's way then the ice caps start melting, breaking up and floating about all over the place... That would cause a lot of devastation across the world for everyone.

A magnetic polar slip would mainly affect modern civilsation with regards travelling etc. compasses would need to be re-calibrated constantly, local flights could take days cos of lost pilots, boy scouts would be permanently lost in wildernesses and so on...

The bonus side is that a lot more of the world would get to see the "Northern Lights" as they shifted about. The downside is as a previous post pointed out, a weakened magnetic field would allow a lot more harmful solar radiation down to the surface...

Perhaps it's time for another major evolutionary change to the gene pool ...

[jesspy]

The last few posts have been intresting I wonder what the world would look like after the pole shift? what will be where can we determine that now or do we wait and see