[hortie]

Abramelin, on 24 October 2009 - 01:31 PM, said:

Hmmmmmmm......................




Geomagnetic reversal

Effects on biosphere and human society

Because the magnetic field has never been observed to reverse by humans with instrumentation, and the mechanism of field generation is not well understood, it is difficult to say what the characteristics of the magnetic field might be leading up to such a reversal. Some speculate that a greatly diminished magnetic field during a reversal period will expose the surface of the earth to a substantial and potentially damaging increase in cosmic radiation. However, Homo erectus and their ancestors certainly survived many previous reversals. There is no uncontested evidence that a magnetic field reversal has ever caused any biological extinctions. A possible explanation is that the solar wind may induce a sufficient magnetic field in the Earth's ionosphere to shield the surface from energetic particles even in the absence of the Earth's normal magnetic field.

http://en.wikipedia....gnetic_reversal

nice! Im the first to admit that if a sudden pole shift DID occur i couldnt predict what would happen.

[lakeview rud]

Hi again, folks. Just to clarify my earlier conjecture(for that is all it is) National Geographic I think ran an article tracking the North magnetic pole to be moving at a decent pace (25km/year) towards the current true North Pole(The magnetic north being a manifestation of the earth's magnetic field). My question was why would that be happening and since it could arguably go in any direction there was a reason it was headed for the North pole. If you reason from that, that the magnetic pole follows the True North pole then at some time in the past the True North Pole was located in Hudson Bay. That would be a good explanation of why North America got almost covered by ice sheets in the last ice age whereas Siberia didn't get much of anything. I have not heard any other reason for that. As to why/how that happened I have no clue but a crustal displacement of say 2400 miles over say 48 hours would likely not be felt as thats only about a 5% change in the rotational surface velocity of the earth. Earth's circumference of say 24,000 miles divided by 24 hours gives a rotational velocity of about 1000 miles an hour right now and we don't feel a thing due to the effects of gravity. As to the mechanism by which the earth's solid outer layer would detach from the molten layer and "float" for a number of hours I have no clue but I'd like to hear some arguments for and against.

[Peter B]

lakeview rud, on 26 October 2009 - 11:20 AM, said:

Hi again, folks. Just to clarify my earlier conjecture(for that is all it is) National Geographic I think ran an article tracking the North magnetic pole to be moving at a decent pace (25km/year) towards the current true North Pole(The magnetic north being a manifestation of the earth's magnetic field). My question was why would that be happening and since it could arguably go in any direction there was a reason it was headed for the North pole.

I suspect it isn't moving towards the North Pole. According to Wikipedia: "...the North Magnetic Pole is moving continually northwestward. In 1996 an expedition certified its location by magnetometer and theodolite at 78°35.7′N 104°11.9′W. Its estimated 2005 position was 82°42′N 114°24′W, to the west of Ellesmere Island in Canada. During the 20th century it moved 1100 km, and since 1970 its rate of motion has accelerated from 9 km/year to 41 km/year (2001–2003 average; see also Polar drift). If it maintained its present speed and direction it would reach Siberia in about 50 years, but it is expected to veer from its present course and slow its rate of motion."[/quote]

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...a crustal displacement of say 2400 miles over say 48 hours would likely not be felt as thats only about a 5% change in the rotational surface velocity of the earth.

Pardon? Wouldn't a continent moving at 50 miles per hour would generate a bit of a tsunami?

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Earth's circumference of say 24,000 miles divided by 24 hours gives a rotational velocity of about 1000 miles an hour right now and we don't feel a thing due to the effects of gravity.

The Earth only rotates at 1000 mph at the Equator. Away from there it's slower. And is gravity the reason we don't feel the Earth's movement? I thought it was simply a consequence of inertia. After all, if you're sitting on a bus which is moving along a smooth road, you don't feel its movement, allowing you to easily walk up and down the aisle.

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As to the mechanism by which the earth's solid outer layer would detach from the molten layer and "float" for a number of hours I have no clue but I'd like to hear some arguments for and against.

Well, I seriously doubt this would happen. At least, I think the Earth's crust would move at great speed against the mantle only as a result of a massive catastrophe - like the impact of a Moon-size object. However, I'm not a geologist, so I'm not about to make any definitive statements.

[lightlyy]

anyone know.. what's up with that Magnetic Field anomaly in the southern Atlantic ? I had been reading that a growing large spot of magnetic reversal was going on there... but a National Geographic special was explaining, instead, that it is a growing area of Field Weakening.. a large weak spot. Which is it? i wonder

The special was also explaining how past magnetic field strengths were not only recorded in ancient lava beds.. but in ancient pottery as well.. (as they explained it) due to tiny magnetite particles being aligned,in both cases, by intense heat.. and then re magnetized by the Earth's magnetic field after cooling.. preserving an accurate measure of the Field Strength. ...the lava beds.of course, also recorded the Field's orientation. , thanks.

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[questionmark]

lightlyy, on 30 October 2009 - 10:33 PM, said:

anyone know.. what's up with that Magnetic Field anomaly in the southern Atlantic ? I had been reading that a growing large spot of magnetic reversal was going on there... but a National Geographic special was explaining, instead, that it is a growing area of Field Weakening.. a large weak spot. Which is it? i wonder

The special was also explaining how past magnetic field strengths were not only recorded in ancient lava beds.. but in ancient pottery as well.. (as they explained it) due to tiny magnetite particles being aligned,in both cases, by intense heat.. and then re magnetized by the Earth's magnetic field after cooling.. preserving an accurate measure of the Field Strength. ...the lava beds.of course, also recorded the Field's orientation. , thanks.

Anomalous magnetic field of the World Ocean by Aleksandr Moiseevich Gorodnit︠s︡kiĭ at Google Books

[lightlyy]

Thanks questionmark.

i just re read my post #64... and it was stated incorrectly... in that.. since intense heat DE magnetizes ... it's not the heat that would align the bits of magnetite. ... After cooling, the new alignment/polarization would be done by the Earth's Magnetic Field.

The fact that intense heat demagnetizes seems to confuse the Theory that the Magnetic field emanates from the Earth's core ??... confuses me anyway... maybe someone could clarify ?

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[questionmark]

lightlyy, on 31 October 2009 - 02:46 PM, said:

Thanks questionmark.

i just re read my post #64... and it was stated incorrectly... in that.. since intense heat DE magnetizes ... it's not the heat that would align the bits of magnetite. ... After cooling, the new alignment/polarization would be done by the Earth's Magnetic Field.

The fact that intense heat demagnetizes seems to confuse the Theory that the Magnetic field emanates from the Earth's core ??... confuses me anyway... maybe someone could clarify ?

you can consider the earth's core and crust as a gigantic electrostatic generator. when electricity runs through a conductor it produces a magnetic field.

[lightlyy]

questionmark, on 31 October 2009 - 02:30 PM, said:

you can consider the earth's core and crust as a gigantic electrostatic generator. when electricity runs through a conductor it produces a magnetic field.

Awesome! questionmark .. Thanks a Lot . . I'm surprised that Such an Electrical earth is a commonly accepted scientific view ? maybe i shouldn't be at all.......... yes! and..a conductor cutting threw a Magnetic field induces electricity... Beautiful isn't it!? and the bazillion volt potential existing between the Ionosphere and the Ground.
you have probably heard of Kentuckian Nathan B. Stubblefield ? Self Educated Inventor of Ground transmitted radio, self powered by earth's electricity? And,reportedly, Earth electricity powered arc lamps and heating devices. .. and even sketchy stories of hillsides glowing in the night...Tesla reportedly showed up at one of Nathan's Demonstrations.. .. please don't tell me old Nate is a myth.. i really like him!
.... i wonder about the possibility of electrical stars... without any fussion goin on ???? even dark stars that emit EM energy but none from the 'light' spectrum... goofy?
 stubblefield.jpg (6.27K)
Number of downloads: 3 Nathan & Son

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[Br Cornelius]

lightlyy, on 01 November 2009 - 01:25 AM, said:

Awesome! questionmark .. Thanks a Lot . . I'm surprised that Such an Electrical earth is a commonly accepted scientific view ? maybe i shouldn't be at all.......... yes! and..a conductor cutting threw a Magnetic field induces electricity... Beautiful isn't it!? and the bazillion volt potential existing between the Ionosphere and the Ground.
you have probably heard of Kentuckian Nathan B. Stubblefield ? Self Educated Inventor of Ground transmitted radio, self powered by earth's electricity? And,reportedly, Earth electricity powered arc lamps and heating devices. .. and even sketchy stories of hillsides glowing in the night...Tesla reportedly showed up at one of Nathan's Demonstrations.. .. please don't tell me old Nate is a myth.. i really like him!
.... i wonder about the possibility of electrical stars... without any fussion goin on ???? even dark stars that emit EM energy but none from the 'light' spectrum... goofy?
stubblefield.jpg Nathan & Son

There is a whole alternative cosmology which attributes all the organising forces of the universe to electricity. Its variously described as Plasma based cosmology or the "Electric Universe". I find it fairly compelling as it explains away a lot of the more bizarre aspects of conventional cosmology which are just fudged and glossed over. I am not qualified to make a final judement - but its worth researching as an alternative view.


Br Cornelius

[lightlyy]

Br Cornelius, on 01 November 2009 - 11:03 AM, said:

There is a whole alternative cosmology which attributes all the organising forces of the universe to electricity. Its variously described as Plasma based cosmology or the "Electric Universe". I find it fairly compelling as it explains away a lot of the more bizarre aspects of conventional cosmology which are just fudged and glossed over. I am not qualified to make a final judement - but its worth researching as an alternative view.


Br Cornelius

Yes , There is much to point to EM forces playing a larger role than currently understood. Science seems to be slowly drifting from sort of 50's style Nuclear ideas and toward EM ideas.. including ideas about atoms? It's beautifully simple + - and simply beautiful - + . Very appealing to a simple mind like mine.

[TheSearcher]

lightlyy, on 01 November 2009 - 02:25 AM, said:

Awesome! questionmark .. Thanks a Lot . . I'm surprised that Such an Electrical earth is a commonly accepted scientific view ? maybe i shouldn't be at all.......... yes! and..a conductor cutting threw a Magnetic field induces electricity... Beautiful isn't it!? and the bazillion volt potential existing between the Ionosphere and the Ground.
you have probably heard of Kentuckian Nathan B. Stubblefield ? Self Educated Inventor of Ground transmitted radio, self powered by earth's electricity? And,reportedly, Earth electricity powered arc lamps and heating devices. .. and even sketchy stories of hillsides glowing in the night...Tesla reportedly showed up at one of Nathan's Demonstrations.. .. please don't tell me old Nate is a myth.. i really like him!
.... i wonder about the possibility of electrical stars... without any fussion goin on ???? even dark stars that emit EM energy but none from the 'light' spectrum... goofy?
stubblefield.jpg Nathan & Son

Actually, Nathan B. Stubblefield was not a myth, he did exist and from what I know, he is mostly known for his efforts in wireless telephony and in 1898,was issued U.S. Patent 600457 for an "Electric battery".

If you want more info about Stubblefield, here's a good place to start.

[lightlyy]

TheSearcher, on 03 November 2009 - 08:49 AM, said:

Actually, Nathan B. Stubblefield was not a myth, he did exist and from what I know, he is mostly known for his efforts in wireless telephony and in 1898,was issued U.S. Patent 600457 for an "Electric battery".

If you want more info about Stubblefield, here's a good place to start.

Thanks Searcher... he offered to build an electrical power station for his hometown of Murray Kentucky.. using his methods... they turned him down.
i'm convinced that Nathan was real enough... I've read everything i could find about Nathan Stubblefield ... ALL ON THE WEB... so that's why i was half expecting someone to tell me that it was nonsense and all made up by someone... you know? A friend of mine who i argue/discuss politics and religion with told me that "The trouble with the internet is, people can put whatever they want to on it".... to which i replied.. Ya.. sometimes.. even the Truth!.

[TheSearcher]

lightlyy, on 03 November 2009 - 02:30 PM, said:

Thanks Searcher... he offered to build an electrical power station for his hometown of Murray Kentucky.. using his methods... they turned him down.
i'm convinced that Nathan was real enough... I've read everything i could find about Nathan Stubblefield ... ALL ON THE WEB... so that's why i was half expecting someone to tell me that it was nonsense and all made up by someone... you know? A friend of mine who i argue/discuss politics and religion with told me that "The trouble with the internet is, people can put whatever they want to on it".... to which i replied.. Ya.. sometimes.. even the Truth!.

Well if you chck the patent archives, you'll find he was quite real. Like you said, sometimes you even find the truth on the internet

[1radtech]

Nineteen, on 12 February 2006 - 04:17 PM, said:

ok, I need some imput, the pole shift is most assuredly going to happen, but when do you think, and what will happen?

i think it is already happening....its just not a huge drastic change that most would expect it to be...could be why we are having all the climate changes and such...its intresting tho....

[Mattshark]

1radtech, on 03 November 2009 - 11:37 PM, said:

i think it is already happening....its just not a huge drastic change that most would expect it to be...could be why we are having all the climate changes and such...its intresting tho....

The pole is not going to shift, that is fantasy. The pole wanders, a shift would be more than noticeable by us being dead.