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#1    Irish

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 09:00 PM

The biblical (and I believe correct) view of the origin of the pagan gods begins with Original Revelation.  This means there was a perfect revelation from God to man at the time of creation.  The first man Adam was at one with God and perceived divine knowledge from the mind of God.  The human was "in tune" with the mental processes of God, and understood, therefore, what God knew about science, astronomy, cosmogony, geology, eschatology, and so on. After the fall, Adam was "detached" from the mind of God, but retained an imperfect memory of the divine revelation including a knowledge of God's plan of redemption.  Two things began to occur in the decades after the Fall: 1) information from the original revelation became distant and distorted as it was dispersed among the nations and as it was passed from generation to generation; and 2) the realm of Satan seized upon this opportunity to receive worship, and to turn people away from Yahweh, by distorting and counterfeiting the original revelation with pagan ideas and "gods".  This point of view seems reasonable when one considers that the earliest historical and archeological records from civilizations around the world have consistently pointed back to and repeated portions of the original story.

     In their startling book, The Discovery of Genesis, the Rev. C.H. Kang and Dr. Ethel R. Nelson confirm that prehistoric Chinese ideographic pictures (used in very ancient Chinese writing) report the story of Genesis, including the creation of the Man and Woman, the garden, the temptation and Fall, Noah's flood, and the tower of Babel.  In his book, The Real Meaning Of The Zodiac, Dr. James Kennedy claims that the ancient signs of the Zodiac also indicate a singular and original revelation—a kind of Gospel in the stars—and that the message of the stars, although demonized and converted into astrology after the fall of man, originally recorded the Gospel of God.  He writes:

    “There exists in the writings of virtually all civilized nations a description of the major stars in the heavens—something which might be called their ‘Constellations of the Zodiac’ or the ‘Signs of the Zodiac,’ of which there are twelve.  If you go back in time to Rome, or beyond that to Greece, or before that to Egypt, Persia, Assyria, or Babylonia—regardless of how far back you go, there is a remarkable phenomenon: Nearly all nations had the same twelve signs, representing the same twelve things, placed in the same order....The book of Job, which is thought by many to be the oldest book of the Bible, goes back to approximately 2150 B.C., which is 650 years before Moses came upon the scene to write the Pentateuch;  over 1,100 years before Homer wrote the Odyssey and the Illiad;  and  1,500 years before Thales, the first of the philosophers, was born.  In chapter 38, God finally breaks in and speaks to Job and to his false comforters.  As He is questioning Job, showing him and his companions their ignorance, God says to them: "Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?  Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season?  or
canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?" (Job 38:31,32)

     We see here reference to the constellations of Orion and Pleiades, and the star Arcturus.  Also in the book of Job there is reference to Cetus, the Sea Monster, and to Draco, the Great Dragon.  I would call your attention to Job 38:32a: "Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season?"  Mazzaroth is a Hebrew word which means "The Constellations of the Zodiac."  In what may be the oldest book in all of human history, we find that the constellations of the zodiac were already clearly known and understood....Having made it clear that the Bible expressly, explicitly, and repeatedly condemns what is now known as astrology, the fact remains that there was a God-given Gospel [universally acknowledged original revelation] in the stars which lays beyond and behind that which has now been corrupted. “

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 09:06 PM

The ancient Chinese writing is virtually identical to ancient Sumerian.
Many biblical tales have been found in ancient Sumerian stories.
Abram came from Ur of Sumeria.
The zodiac also dates back to Sumeria.
Many greek myths can be found in Sumerian stories.

Looks like Sumeria was the cradle for most doesn't it?

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 09:12 PM

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     We see here reference to the constellations of Orion and Pleiades, and the star Arcturus.  Also in the book of Job there is reference to Cetus, the Sea Monster, and to Draco, the Great Dragon.  I would call your attention to Job 38:32a: "Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season?"  Mazzaroth is a Hebrew word which means "The Constellations of the Zodiac."  In what may be the oldest book in all of human history, we find that the constellations of the zodiac were already clearly known and understood....Having made it clear that the Bible expressly, explicitly, and repeatedly condemns what is now known as astrology, the fact remains that there was a God-given Gospel [universally acknowledged original revelation] in the stars which lays beyond and behind that which has now been corrupted. “

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This goes well with why the early Christian churches might have had mosaics of the zodiac on their floors.
Astronomy was important then and is needed for calendars of all types.
I have sometimes wondered if the sign of the fish was the sign of pieces, since Jesus said he would be with us in spirit till the end of the age.
The age implying to me there are other ages, and that maybe the physical return would come after Pieces ends.

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 09:12 PM

In his book Dr. Kennedy strongly condemns the practice of astrology, while asserting his view that the constellations of the zodiac were likely given by God to the first man as "record-keepers" of the original revelation of God.

     If the primary assumption of the Biblical View is correct—that an original revelation was corrupted after the fall of man and subsequently degenerated into the mythologies of the pagan gods—one should be able to find numerous examples of such corruption from as far back as the beginning of history and within various civilizations around the world.  Since the myths behind the gods  would thus be "borrowed" ideas, the corrupted texts would be similar to the original truth, and, in that sense, evidence of a singular and original revelation.  Furthermore, If the distortions of the original revelation were in fact energized by an evil supernaturalism, the goal of the alterations would be to draw people away from the worship of Yahweh.  In certain ancient legends—such as the Enuma elish, the Adapa Epic, and the Epic of Gilgamesh—we discover early traces of the kaleidoscope of the original revelation plagiarized for the purpose of constructing the mythologies of the pagan gods.

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 09:14 PM

So do you think it is some type of calendar perhaps?

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 09:17 PM

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So do you think it is some type of calendar perhaps?

That would make sense, Unfortunately deception was in the works and the original intent may never be known.

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 09:22 PM

EARLY TRACES OF CORRUPTION

    Evidence suggests that the earliest legends of mythology were preceded by a belief in "the God" (Yahweh to the Hebrews) as the creator of all things and the "ruler of heaven."  Later, Satan was described as "the god of this world" (2 Cor. 4:4), and the prince of the "air" (Eph. 2:2). A fascinating struggle between the "ruler of the heavens" versus the "power of the air" occured in early Sumerian mythology after Enki, the god of wisdom and water, created the human race out of clay.  It appears that Anu, who was at first the most powerful of the Sumerian gods and the "ruler of the heavens," was superseded in power and popularity by Enlil, the "god of the air."  To the Christian mind this is perceived as nothing less than Satan, the god of the air, continuing his pretence to the throne of God, and his usurpation of Yahweh—"the Lord of the heavens."  It also indicates a corruption of the original revelation and perhaps an effort on the part of Satan to trick the pagan Sumerians into perceiving him as the "supreme" god (above the God of heaven) and therefore worthy of adoration.  Correspondingly, in the Enuma elish (a Babylonian epic), Marduk, the great god of the city of Babylon, was exalted above the benevolent gods and extolled as the creator of the world.  Marduk was symbolized as a dragon (as is Satan in Revelation 12:9) called the Muscrussu, and his legend appears to contain several distortions of the important elements of the biblical account of creation.  The Adapa Epic tells of another Babylonian legend that is also roughly equivalent to the Genisis account of creation.  In it, Adapa, like Adam, underwent a test on food consumption, failed the test, and forfeited his opportunity for immortality.  As a result of the failure, suffering and death were passed along to humanity.  Finally, the Epic of Gilgamesh is a Sumerian poem, which, like the Adapa Epic, is deeply rooted in ancient Assyrian and Babylonian mythology.  In 1872 George Smith discovered the Gilgamesh tablets while doing research on the Assyrian library of Ashurbanipal at the British Museum.  Because of the strong similarity to the biblical account of Noah and the great flood, Bible scholars have viewed the Gilgamesh epic with interest (and suspicion) since its discovery.  As the legend goes, Gilgamesh, the king of the city of Uruk, was told about the flood from his immortal friend, Utnapishtim (the Sumerian equivalent of Noah).  Utnapishtim described for Gilgamesh how the great god Enlil decided to destroy all of mankind because of its "noisy" sins.  A plague was sent but failed to persuade mankind of better behavior, and, consequently, the gods determined a complete extermination of the human race.  Enki, the lord of the waters, was not happy with the other gods for this decision and warned Utnapishtim of the coming deluge, instructing him to tear down his house and build a great boat.  Utnapishtim obeyed Enki, built a great vessel, and sealed it with pitch and bitumen.  The family of Utnapishtim loaded onto the boat together with various beasts and fowl.  When the rains came, the doors were closed and the vessel rose up above the waters.  Like Noah, Utnapishtim sent out a dove, and later a swallow, to search for dry land.  They both returned.  Later, a raven was released and it never came back.  After several more days the boat came to rest on the top of a mountain where Utnapishtim built an altar and offered a sacrifice of thanksgiving to the gods.  As the gods smelt the sweet offering, all but Enlil repented for sending the flood.

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 09:33 PM

"If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Him." -Voltaire

Back in the days when humans could only expect to live for 20 or so years, it would have been dissicult to rule or control him.  Why not do or take whatever you wanted?  Thus the emerging leaderships of society decided to use a ploy that is familiar to anyone who has taken a social history class.  Give the masses an enemy or fear beyond their territory and they will bond together and stop internal struggles, thus "falling into line."

If I knew I had only 20 or so years to live, what would be there to stop me from raping, pillaging and thievery?  It is only the promise offered of reward for good behaviour in this life.  I shall be exhaulted and rewarded with everlasting life if only I kiss the ass of society here on Earth, in this life.

What a grand scheme.  It has worked for thousands of years.

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 09:34 PM

This very interesting Irish,
thank you for posting it. I do find it curios though that the Author of the piece claims that most cultures had the same Zodiac signs and that most had 12 signs. This is as far as I am aware not quite true. The original Western star signs contained a 13th Star sign which somewhere along the track became null and void. I know there is an article on U.M. somewhere about the 13 Signs of the Zodiac. The Celts only had 10 star signs and Chinese astrology can hardly be compared to Western astrology. They are an exceptionally different kettle of fish.

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The Real Meaning Of The Zodiac, Dr. James Kennedy claims that the ancient signs of the Zodiac also indicate a singular and original revelation—a kind of Gospel in the stars—and that the message of the stars, although demonized and converted into astrology after the fall of man, originally recorded the Gospel of God.

So these were originally recorded as a Gospel of God, like a code? Comparitvly one of the theories behind the Tarot is that it was used to pass on stories which had been outlawed during the take over of Britany by the Roman Catholic Church. Clearly the story of the search for the Holy Grail can be read in them by starting at the journey of the fool and Ending on the Ace of Cups or the World.
The people responsible for this set of cards clearly felt they had to hide there stories. Was this the same reason a Code like the zodiac may have been used?

I don't have any sources however I shall look for some, but I know that I have read that the search for the Holy Grail was not originaly a Catholic concept, as can be summised by the fact that  the tarot cards are far older in origin than the Catholic religion to that area of Europe. However over the years it has developed several twists one which even includes a hidden version of Jesus, as Parsifal wich translates as Fish and in Celtic mythology Fish means wisdom which apparently represented Jesus. But I felt that was a bit of a stretch really.

Still great story, I think I rambled on a bit at the end there. grin2.gif


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Posted 16 February 2006 - 09:40 PM

Kismet very interesting and i thought I knew everything about astrology i look forward to your findings, I hadn't heard of the 13 sign??? Being an Tarot effciciando myself hats off to your understanding  thumbsup.gif My grams taught me to read (imagine in those days the 1930"s she also told me of the history...... Namaste sheri




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Posted 16 February 2006 - 09:45 PM

John Milton wrote in Paradise Lost that millions of spiritual creatures walk the earth unseen.  The Biblical View of the origin of the gods affirms the idea that "In the beginning" Yahweh created the heavens (celestial beings, planets, etc) and the earth.  Lucifer, “the light bearer,” was a crowning achievement of God's heavenly creation and a chief servant of the creative Yahweh.  But Lucifer became jealous of the worship Yahweh was receiving from his many creations, and proudly proclaimed, "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God....I will be like the most high" (Is.14:13-14).  Somehow Lucifer convinced one-third of the celestial creatures to join him in a great rebellion, with the uprising ultimately resulting in Lucifer and his followers being cast out of heaven.  Lucifer (now Satan), driven by a quest for worship and thirsty for revenge with Yahweh, tempted Eve, and, after the fall with its resulting separation between man and God, moved to corrupt the divine truths contained within the Original Revelation by proclaiming himself (the god of the air) more worthy of worship than was the God of heaven.

     If such an assumption of the Biblical View is correct—that a real and evil supernatural presence exists and has for centuries drawn men away from worshipping Yahweh through the dynamics of various mythologies—the following questions arise:  Were the angels that joined Lucifer in the fall also driven by a lust for worship?  Did the images and attributes ascribed to the gods of mythology somehow reflect the real and spiritual characteristics of certain unseen personalities operating behind them?  More importantly, is the kingdom of Satan still at work in this manner?  That is, do the living entities of the ancient gods continue to walk among us?  If so, do such spirits embody themselves in trees, earth, and idols of stone, or should we assume that modern idolatry has acquired a more selective sophistication and social manifestation?
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Posted 16 February 2006 - 09:56 PM

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 10:00 PM

This seems like something Yahweh would make his followers to believe,

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 10:02 PM

A war broke out in Heaven Gods army of Angels won the war against Satans rebellion but their were many loses on both sides.  Control of Earth was a big prize because where we are we can observe the whole Universe and its perfect for life.Some parts of the Bible are'nt all there  Adam was created from the Blood of a Slain God to be Immortal but Satan and his fallen Angels transformed into living beings who also Shape Shift they are in the Looking glass. Trust I Had a vision of Hell they are in some dimension where I saw 3 priests they were chanting and 4 horses came out of a sulphur pool 1 of the horses passed me and I felt hot I woke up and my legs were tingling.There are other scriptures like Mary Magedeline who had a child named Sarah who Pilgrimed to Britain with Joseph.The famly were in Glastonbury Abbey where Joseph put his Staff under Mount Tor and the next day a Bush grew and a natural Spring came out of a Rock face near there Its also the sight where King Arthur was buried.       My Webpage

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 10:04 PM

That is so not how it happened

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