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#1    angrycrustacean

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 10:30 PM

In your opinion, at what point does a true Christian (or follower of any other religion, for that matter) cease to be a true follower? Is it when they stop attending church, or perhaps when they stop reading their holy book? Or is it perhaps something deeper and more spiritual? Is it an instant transition from follower to lip service, or a gradual decline in belief?

Furthermore, in your opinion how does God (Once again this applies to all religions, I'll use Christianity to simplify things though) view those who only pay lip service? Does He consider them better than or the same as non-believers?

Lastly, to those this applies to, at what point did you realize that you were just paying lip service to your religion? How did you react?

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 10:35 PM

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Furthermore, in your opinion how does God (Once again this applies to all religions, I'll use Christianity to simplify things though) view those who only pay lip service? Does He consider them better than or the same as non-believers?


I'm lazy so I won't link the chapter of the N.T. where Jesus tells exactly about that. He says it is even worst than those who don't believe. At least in Christianism, they are sinning twice - for not believing and for being hipocrit.


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Posted 20 February 2006 - 12:07 AM

when the title said lip service I thought it was about something else

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 12:09 AM

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when the title said lip service I thought it was about something else


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Posted 20 February 2006 - 12:48 AM

When they stop going to church and reading their holy book

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 12:50 AM

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When they stop going to church and reading their holy book


So you believe that to be Christian you have to attend church and read the Bible?

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 01:06 AM

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In your opinion, at what point does a true Christian (or follower of any other religion, for that matter) cease to be a true follower?
  
When they decide to not only follow, but presume to lead everyone else to their faith.



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Furthermore, in your opinion how does God (Once again this applies to all religions, I'll use Christianity to simplify things though) view those who only pay lip service? Does He consider them better than or the same as non-believers?

I think if there is a god they are well amused by our mortal insecurities by now as well as broken hearted at the history faith has made in blood.

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Lastly, to those this applies to, at what point did you realize that you were just paying lip service to your religion? How did you react?

I've never paid lip service to my faith. I'm secure in who I am and I live it for me and expect and respect others to do the same.



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Posted 20 February 2006 - 01:14 AM

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So you believe that to be Christian you have to attend church and read the Bible?

Both IMO and you must accept christ


But christians fail to see that there are other faiths that do accept christ

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 01:22 AM

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In your opinion, at what point does a true Christian (or follower of any other religion, for that matter) cease to be a true follower?


When they no longer believe that the words of the bible and christ are true .



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Posted 20 February 2006 - 01:23 AM

I don't think that any one rule applies for everyone. Belief is something that is in your heart, and to me there is no "true Christian" (or typical one).
I don't think you have to go to church or read the Bible to be a Christian. So many say that they have God and Jesus in their hearts.


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Posted 20 February 2006 - 01:24 AM

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In your opinion, at what point does a true Christian (or follower of any other religion, for that matter) cease to be a true follower? Is it when they stop attending church, or perhaps when they stop reading their holy book? Or is it perhaps something deeper and more spiritual? Is it an instant transition from follower to lip service, or a gradual decline in belief?

Furthermore, in your opinion how does God (Once again this applies to all religions, I'll use Christianity to simplify things though) view those who only pay lip service? Does He consider them better than or the same as non-believers?

Lastly, to those this applies to, at what point did you realize that you were just paying lip service to your religion? How did you react?



Why would one want to be a follower of anything??? why wouldn't one be leading  through the wisdom that lives within them naturally. What is the nobleness in following the crowd and shouldn't one be real clear on what it is they are following???We can't all be the same we may have similar understandings but its not possible to be exactly the same, that is the flaw of religon it insists and demands that one size fits all but in truth that is illogical....Namaste sheri


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Posted 20 February 2006 - 02:29 AM

Only the person involved and God can answer that question.  I guess it would be different for everyone, but it is not up to me to judge when or if.  Only God has that right.  

In my opinion of course.

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 03:32 AM

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Only the person involved and God can answer that question.  I guess it would be different for everyone, but it is not up to me to judge when or if.  Only God has that right.  

In my opinion of course.

Regards, PA



So the bible says you can't ask questions?? there are some things you have no right to know?  You see this as a loving graceful 'god' is 'god a person to you pA Namaste sheri


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Posted 20 February 2006 - 08:07 AM

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Only the person involved and God can answer that question.  I guess it would be different for everyone, but it is not up to me to judge when or if.  Only God has that right.  

In my opinion of course.

Regards, PA

Well if it's not up to you to judge PA how come you are so quick to judge that another faith is false? You don't know the real truth infact and I repeat INFACT NO ONE does

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 08:23 AM

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Only the person involved and God can answer that question.  I guess it would be different for everyone, but it is not up to me to judge when or if.  Only God has that right.  

In my opinion of course.

Regards, PA


I would have to say that god plays no part in this decision. It is up to the individual to seek and understand what he believes as the truth. If one has found within himself/herself the truth as they see fit, it is up to himself/herself to judge according to how they fit into the big picture. This person may decide whether or not god has any role in their decision depending on the degree of their falling away from a particular religious belief.  






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