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#31    BigDaddy_GFS

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 02:48 PM

Interesting stuff, but lean on facts.
Sounds like the author compiled several 'X-Files' eps into one book.

Nothing new here, but interesting.

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 02:53 PM

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I really think the scientists are doing a great damage by not taking the UFO matter into a serious investigation.

I think its because:

.So many scientists work for goverments.


There are also many that doesn`t.

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.In the science field, your knowledge, your word, your thoughts, make your career, and if you  take yourself into an UFO investigation,you would be the laugh of all the science community.  

I often see the "Aliens on Earth" believers take refuge in two explanations:

(1) The material that would be convincing proof has been collected and secreted away by the U.S. government. While endlessly appealing, this is an argument from ignorance (tantamount to saying we cant show you good evidence because we havent got it), and perforce implies that every government in the world has efficiently squirreled away all alien artifacts. Unless, of course, the extraterrestrials only visit the U.S., where retrieval of material that falls to Earth is supposedly a perfected art form.

(2) Scientists have simply refused to look carefully at this phenomenon. In other words, the scientists should blame themselves for the fact that the visitation hypothesis has failed to sway them.

This is not only unfair, its misguided. Sure, rather few researchers have themselves gone into the field to sift through the stories, the videos, and the odd photos that comprise the evidence for alien presence. But they dont have to. This complaint is akin to telling movie critics that films would be better if only they would pitch in and get behind the camera. But critics can compose excellent and accurate evaluations of a movie without being participants in the business of making films.

The burden of proof is on those making the claims, not those who find the data dubious.

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. In some way, scientists are afraid of turning into pupils and schollars of the real advanced alien scientists.


The putative study and theorisation of ET life is known as astrobiology (or xenobiology). Astrobiology is an interdisciplinary field, combining aspects of astronomy, biology and geology, which is focused primarily on the study of the origin, distribution and evolution of life.Why would any of them be afraid to learn something new, and who are these "advanced alien scientists" you are talking about ?


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I also think that actual science laks in some ways, the knowledges for an investigation of this size.


Laks what exactly? And who would be more qualified for an investigation then the best and sharpest mindes in their fields of astronomy, biology and geology?

Edited by hazzard, 10 March 2006 - 03:00 PM.

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 05:32 PM

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I agree. Testimony means nothing.

Bill Clinton couldn't understand that a hummer was classified as sexual contact (we all know that was a lie), so why should anyone believe stories people tell about anything else? If the president of the United States is willing to lie on national television about something so obvious, then why wouldn't someone else make up a story about a UFO?
...and from the link you posted:

(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons;

You read that way out of context, sorry to say.

Who was this CIA director and what proof do you have that he was killed in relation to any of this?

How do you know nuclear explosions damage another dimension? Have you seen this other dimension and witnessed it's effects? And when have you seen a nuke neutralized by aliens? PLEASE!!!

It's important not to state something without proof. The outlandish claims are getting OLD.  rolleyes.gif

well i dont have the luxury of time to find the sources again, sorry
I can tell you though, download and watch The Untold History of the Disclosure Project
I had time to post because its knowledge gathered throughout the years that i didnt think of in one night. i also do not try to make people belive what i say because nothing will change an ignorant person's mind and there is no point for you to know the truth anyway

Edited by Aticus, 10 March 2006 - 05:52 PM.


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Posted 10 March 2006 - 05:34 PM

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well i dont have the luxury of time to find the sources again, sorry

But you have time to post. Typical.

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 06:00 PM

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i also do not try to make people belive what i say because nothing will change an ignorant person's mind and there is no point for you to know the truth anyway

So we are ignorant for not believing thanks. We could say the same for you believing.

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 06:43 PM

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well i dont have the luxury of time to find the sources again, sorry
I can tell you though, download and watch The Untold History of the Disclosure Project
I had time to post because its knowledge gathered throughout the years that i didnt think of in one night. i also do not try to make people belive what i say because nothing will change an ignorant person's mind and there is no point for you to know the truth anyway


So why are you posting here then if your superior knowledge of the truth will just be cast aside by us ignorant people?

The knowledge I've gathered has also been done through years of reading (note, I said READING, which means there's nothing else to prove the existance of what you claim). I've been on both sides of the fence, from believing every stupid thing I've read on the internet to coming to terms with reality and realizing that you can't believe most of what you read. Most of it's made-up garbage by conspiracy theorists and people who don't refuse to accept reality.

So, either state something useful, or don't bother posting a little "teaser" and then claim you can't say it for some reason or another. That's a CLASSIC mistake.

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 08:33 PM

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Sounds like the author compiled several 'X-Files' eps into one book.


The only difference is these are real people, not made up. They aren't your ordinary Joe Schmoe's these are very highly respected military officials that have their authentic credentials to back up their claims. It is up to you to decide whether or not they are telling the truth. There are over 500 former government employees at this point in time who have come forward as part of the disclosure project and unlike crack pots like Bob Lazar, they can prove they are who they say they are. Sure, we still don't have that alien DNA to prove it scientifically, but there isn't any reason whatsoever to believe that what they are saying is not the truth. It would be extremely foolish to ignore something of this magnitude.

Edited by Prophecy Guru, 10 March 2006 - 09:47 PM.

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Posted 11 March 2006 - 12:05 AM

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It is up to you to decide whether or not they are telling the truth.


That's the whole problem right there!  Everything that is presented concerning this topic always comes down to "You either believe or you don't.".  What we need are facts, not opinions.  It doesn't matter if the entire world believes in aliens; if they are not real, the entire global population believing in them will not make them appear.  We are waiting for data that states its claim in an objective and logical manner, a manner which, whether or not we choose to regard it as "the truth", will notheless remain valid.

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Sure, we still don't have that alien DNA to prove it scientifically, but there isn't any reason whatsoever to believe that what they are saying is not the truth. It would be extremely foolish to ignore something of this magnitude.


Who's ignoring it?  Not believing it isn't the same as ignoring it.  There is a multitude of other explanations beyond them simply lying, ranging from mis-identifications, to not enough data, to unintentional fraud, and yes, even intentional fraud.

Edited by aquatus1, 11 March 2006 - 12:06 AM.


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Posted 11 March 2006 - 12:14 AM

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  ...What we need are facts, not opinions.  It doesn't matter if the entire world believes in aliens; if they are not real, the entire global population believing in them will not make them appear.  


Might I remind everyone that there was a time when everyone believed in witches. Just because everyone believed in witches didn't make them a reality.

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Posted 11 March 2006 - 02:38 AM



What a waste. Rationality to point of stupidity. Anyone here who claims not to use ‘leaps of faith’ period. I suggest you don’t waste your time posting; how can you be sure you’re even talking to real people and not AI programs. And beware of family and friends until you personally have had them DNA tested, how can you be sure they are human?  rolleyes.gif

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Posted 11 March 2006 - 02:45 AM

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... how can you be sure you’re even talking to real people and not AI programs. And beware of family and friends until you personally have had them DNA tested, how can you be sure they are human?  


Nice fallacy of distraction, perfect example of slippery slope.

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Posted 11 March 2006 - 03:23 AM


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Nice fallacy of distraction, perfect example of slippery slope.


Is there actually any claim one can make regarding alien contact that doesn't trigger off any woo woo's or incorrect scientific argument techniques?

http://www.skepticreport.com/funnies/woowoocredo.htm

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Posted 11 March 2006 - 03:34 AM

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Is there actually any claim one can make regarding alien contact that doesn't trigger off any woo woo's or incorrect scientific argument techniques?

http://www.skepticreport.com/funnies/woowoocredo.htm

No? I didn't think so... unsure.gif


Certainly.  All you need is a claim that doesn't use incorrect scientific argument techniques.


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Posted 11 March 2006 - 03:45 AM


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Certainly.  All you need is a claim that doesn't use incorrect scientific argument techniques.

an example would be nice..

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Posted 11 March 2006 - 03:58 AM

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well i dont have the luxury of time to find the sources again, sorry - i also do not try to make people belive what i say because nothing will change an ignorant person's mind and there is no point for you to know the truth anyway


typical...





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