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#31    Bella-Angelique

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 03:17 PM

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xians were the ones who made up the whole "sex is a sin" thing.  contrary to xian opinion, it is neither stated nor implied in genesis.


There is no mainstream Christian belief that sex is a sin.
There was the Russian mutilation cult and some celebit denominations appeared and disapeared, but the belief that sex is a sin was never part of most Christian doctrines.

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 03:17 PM

But it's not as though Mary and Joseph filled in forms to adopt the son of God, nor did Mary and God start a relationship together. My understanding of the term is that when a child is born out of wedlock i.e. the mother and father are not married or the woman has a baby to another man she is not married to then the child would be refered to as a "bastard". The word began to be used as an insult as it implies negative things about someone's parenthood.
At least that's what I thought it meant.


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Posted 18 March 2006 - 03:21 PM

If a child is born into a marriage it is not born out of wedlock.
Jesus was born into a marriage.
His name was Yeshua ben Yoseph, Joshua son of Joseph.
He was the legitimate son of Joseph.

And no, if a woman has a child by another man other than the one she is married to the child is legitimate unless legal action is taken by the woman's husband to change that.
Otherwise the child remains the legitimate child of the woman's husband.



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Posted 18 March 2006 - 03:23 PM

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Jesus was born into a marriage.


Er. Explain?

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 03:28 PM

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xians were the ones who made up the whole "sex is a sin" thing.  contrary to xian opinion, it is neither stated nor implied in genesis.

There is no mainstream Christian belief that sex is a sin.
There was the Russian mutilation cult and some celebit denominations appeared and disapeared, but the belief that sex is a sin was never part of most Christian doctrines.
I think Gideon means sex outside of marriage and Mary was "with child" before Joseph......


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Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear
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Posted 18 March 2006 - 03:30 PM

Matthew 1:24


Joseph arose from his sleep, and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took his wife to himself;  (WEB)

And Joseph arose from his sleep, and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took unto him his wife;  (ASV)

And Joseph did as the angel of the Lord had said to him, and took her as his wife;  (BBE)

But Joseph, having awoke up from his sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had enjoined him, and took to him his wife,  (DBY)

Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:  (KJV)

Then Joseph, being raised from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took to him his wife:  (WBS)

When Joseph awoke, he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded, and brought home his wife,  (WEY)

And Joseph, having risen from the sleep, did as the messenger of the Lord directed him, and received his wife,   (YLT)

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 03:31 PM

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There is no mainstream Christian belief that sex is a sin.
There was the Russian mutilation cult and some celebit denominations appeared and disapeared, but the belief that sex is a sin was never part of most Christian doctrines.
I think Gideon means sex outside of marriage and Mary was "with child" before Joseph......

You mean before she even started a relationship with Joseph?


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Posted 18 March 2006 - 03:36 PM

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If a child is born into a marriage it is not born out of wedlock.
Jesus was born into a marriage.
His name was Yeshua ben Yoseph, Joshua son of Joseph.
He was the legitimate son of Joseph.

And no, if a woman has a child by another man other than the one she is married to the child is legitimate unless legal action is taken by the woman's husband to change that.
Otherwise the child remains the legitimate child of the woman's husband.

Mary and joesph where never married

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 03:41 PM

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Matthew 1:24
Bela what point are you trying to make?

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 03:41 PM

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I think Gideon means sex outside of marriage and Mary was "with child" before Joseph......


Ahh, I think I see. So to some there is an implied meaning that Mary was picked simply because she was a virgin, and that any woman who has had sex is somehow not as good as a virgin.
Yes, I do see how primitive soceities could think this up because of sexually transmitted diseases and their inability to comprehend their transmission and causes.
So if God chose a virginal womb to bear Jesus it must mean that sex is bad in the minds of some. That is unfortunate.
It reduces her to being chosen only for her body and not for her mind and character. Very dehumanizing.

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 03:43 PM

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Bela what point are you trying to make?


Crusty asked me to explain how they came to be married before he was born in the story.

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 03:46 PM

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Mary and joesph where never married


Wherever did that idea come from?
They were engaged at the time of conception and married before birth.
They did not get engaged twice.

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 03:46 PM

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You mean before she even started a relationship with Joseph?


This article is about the Roman Catholic theological and doctrinal concept of Mary. See Virgin Mary for other conceptions of Mary.

The Blessed Virgin Mary, sometimes shortened to The Blessed Virgin is a traditional title specifically used by Roman Catholics, Anglo-Catholics, Eastern Orthodox and others to describe Mary, the mother of Jesus. It carries with it a belief not merely in the virginity of Mary, but of her continuing role within the church and in the life of ordinary Catholics, for which Roman Catholicism in the Dogmatic Constitution of the Church (21 November 1964), passed during the Second Vatican Council, granted her the title Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adjutrix, and Mediatrix. Colloquially she is often referred to as Our Lady.


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Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear
of punishment and hope of reward after death."

Albert Einstein


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Posted 18 March 2006 - 08:42 PM

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Crusty asked me to explain how they came to be married before he was born in the story.


Thanks for the clarification, I see what you mean. But I think the original point was that if Mary really was a virgin mother, then the baby was technically God and her's, not Joseph and her's.

So it just comes down to your definition of wedlock; Does it matter if the baby is the married couple's, or not.

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 09:14 PM

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Nice?

Lu 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

do you actually read any of the text surrounding these verses you paste all the time?


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