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#1    Sherapy

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 07:54 PM

Eating  "ethically", meaning  avoiding foods that are a result of unethical treatment of land, plant, animal, or human (stress the last as most people don't realize where child slavery is used).

What does eating ethically mean to you????discuss......





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Posted 17 March 2006 - 11:14 PM

eating ethically is eating foods that have been treated as well as you would treat yourself, and the people working to produce the foods are treated as well as you would treat yourself.


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Posted 18 March 2006 - 12:44 AM

Whatever is cheapest to buy is ethically right.

There is only one kind of food on earth that nothing has been killed to make it, and that is honey. So unless you strictly only eat honey and drink water. You are killing something to eat.

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 01:12 AM

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Whatever is cheapest to buy is ethically right.

There is only one kind of food on earth that nothing has been killed to make it, and that is honey. So unless you strictly only eat honey and drink water. You are killing something to eat.


so kratos, you would buy a cheaper food even if it was harvested by child slaves?

it is not about organisms living and dying.  it is about HOW organisms live and die.


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Posted 18 March 2006 - 01:16 AM

I think the ultimate ethical eating would be to plant a vegetable garden in your back yard, use compost for fertlizer and no pesticides. This to me is the ultimate, and yes, I am currently doing this. It is a great way to spend time as a family, you eat healthy, and it saves money!! thumbsup.gif

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 06:20 AM

The fact is that there is enough food in the world for everyone. But tragically, much of the world's food and land resources are tied up in producing beef and other livestock--food for the well off--while millions of children and adults suffer from malnutrition and starvation."
-Dr.Walden Bello

"An estimated 85 percent of all U.S agricultural land is used in the production of animal foods, which in turn is linked with deforestation, destruction of wildlife species, extinction of species, loss of soil productivity, mineral deletion and erosion, water pollution and depletion, overgrazing, and desertification.
Dr. Michael W. Fox, Agricide


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May we all come one step closer to the ethical treatment of all life...... the Berri's





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Posted 18 March 2006 - 02:32 PM

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so kratos, you would buy a cheaper food even if it was harvested by child slaves?

it is not about organisms living and dying.  it is about HOW organisms live and die.


Guess so. If I don't buy it, someone else will for sure. Chances are you have something you own, owned or eaten that was made by slaves.

Isn't that convenient for you. No problem using a plant soley for growing it's seeds to eat but have a problem with using a animal to reproduce for meat or eggs.

If a cow is born braindead (feeling no pain or able to think) in your opinion then, would it be alright to eat because it never suffered and will die nicely because it can't think or feel pain. wink2.gif

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The fact is that there is enough food in the world for everyone. But tragically, much of the world's food and land resources are tied up in producing beef and other livestock--food for the well off--while millions of children and adults suffer from malnutrition and starvation."
-Dr.Walden Bello


The UN says we, as a world, overproduce food by a lot, yes. But to simply blame the starving of other because I like to enjoy a steak is silly. It's so easy to choose words that fit your goal. He is speaking of land being used of now, not total land resources on a global scale. Even so, there are businesses in the world to strive forward. It has always been like that, through trade, barters, currency and such. This will not change. I notice you are on a computer typing this up... Think if you weren't so greedy possession wise, think of all the poor starving children you could have fed with just the price of your internet connection per a month. wink2.gif

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"An estimated 85 percent of all U.S agricultural land is used in the production of animal foods, which in turn is linked with deforestation, destruction of wildlife species, extinction of species, loss of soil productivity, mineral deletion and erosion, water pollution and depletion, overgrazing, and desertification.
Dr. Michael W. Fox, Agricide


And growing crops over and over ruins the land, poisons are needed to protect them that can get in water and killing many kinds of animals. Then for the room needed for crops you would still be messing up the native species and driving others out of that land. Clearly that is linked as well.


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Leave?  rolleyes.gif Guy already sounds like a self absorbed jerk that thinks he is riding some high horse.

Funny about that... The Nazi's used humans in their tests in the name of science in Block 10 and we still use that research today in the medical world despite the handful of people that want it destroyed.

In the last week 11 people died in a drug study on humans. Guess we do throw humans in the line of fire. They were not forced either.

In advancing science sacrifices must be made for the greater goal. Again, this has been happening for thousands of years. When first man started to break out into the wild he watched animals of what they ate to see if it was safe for him to eat. In the animals testing, we are here today breathing. wink2.gif

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The thinking man must oppose all cruel customs no matter how deeply rooted in tradition and surrounded by a halo. When we have a choice, we must avoid bringing torment and injury into the life of another, even the lowliest creature; to do so is to renounce our manhood and shoulder a guilt which nothing justifies."
-Albert Schweitzer


Guilt is for those that feel guilty. It is natural in nature to eat another animal. As we are animals.

I do not support animal cruelity though. I'd much like a quick death for the animal then a prolonged one.

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We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs with our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear."
-Robert Louis Stevenson


Nature is nothing to be ashamed of. Do you think all animals then should only eat plants and take unnatural pills to make up for the loss of meat?

No matter how you try not to be an animal, it is written within your DNA that you are not above animals but one of them.


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Buddha, eh? To him however existence is suffering.

After millions of years, you would hope and think people would see we are not seperate or different from the animal kingdom but a part of the circle of life.




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Posted 18 March 2006 - 02:36 PM

I think food resource allocation has to be tied to responsible birth control.
Sooner or later it will have to be that or extinction.

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 03:23 PM

Well, increases in atmospheric methane over the past few thousand years may be - at least in part - due to increases in rice production.

Methane is a greenhouse gas.

Methane causes global warming.

Therefore, ethically, no-one should eat rice.......


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Posted 18 March 2006 - 07:00 PM

Kratos its cyrstal clear you do not know much about the eco-system or the ethics of what is good for one is good for all...


YOU CHOOSE TO EAT MEAT, you do not NEED to eat meat abit of a difference there...

The UN is such a reputable source of info you should listen to them ha ha ha ha ha ha LOL....

everytime you put a steak in your mouth you support animal cruelty...


Everyday one doesn't eat  meat it makes 10,000 of pounds of grain available for more to be one fed,and it goes from there the domino effect idea.....What  do you do again!!!!!!




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Posted 18 March 2006 - 07:37 PM

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Kratos its cyrstal clear you do not know much about the eco-system or the ethics of what is good for one is good for all...
YOU CHOOSE TO EAT MEAT, you do not NEED to eat meat abit of a difference there...

The UN is such a reputable source of info you should listen to them ha ha ha ha ha ha LOL....

everytime you put a steak in your mouth you support animal cruelty...
Everyday one doesn't eat  meat it makes 10,000 of pounds of grain available for more to be one fed,and it goes from there the domino effect idea.....What  do you do again!!!!!!


Fine.  rolleyes.gif

Yes, I choose to eat meat. Doesn't mean it's wrong to. Humans and other animals have been eating each other now for millions of years. It's nature.

20/20 seems to think so.
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According to media mogul and philanthropist Ted Turner, population growth is "a time bomb waiting to happen." If it continues, at the current rate, according to Turner, "Eventually you stand around in a desert with nothing to eat." But that too is a myth. We see the pictures of starving masses in populous places, but the starvation is caused by things like civil war and government corruption that interfere with the distribution of food.

With more people, we also have more smart ideas. Every year we learn how to grow more food on less land. Thanks to improved technology, the United Nations now says the world overproduces food.

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happy.gif More then enough food to go around.  thumbsup.gif

That's your opinion. I live in a part of my state were farming is quite common and I've seen slaughter houses on the inside. I know how they are killed. It's the food chain, part of nature. All humans meat eating has had our bodies evolve to process cholesterol and fat better... That's nature.

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 11:15 PM

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Fine.  rolleyes.gif

Yes, I choose to eat meat. Doesn't mean it's wrong to. Humans and other animals have been eating each other now for millions of years. It's nature.

20/20 seems to think so.
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According to media mogul and philanthropist Ted Turner, population growth is "a time bomb waiting to happen." If it continues, at the current rate, according to Turner, "Eventually you stand around in a desert with nothing to eat." But that too is a myth. We see the pictures of starving masses in populous places, but the starvation is caused by things like civil war and government corruption that interfere with the distribution of food.

With more people, we also have more smart ideas. Every year we learn how to grow more food on less land. Thanks to improved technology, the United Nations now says the world overproduces food.

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happy.gif More then enough food to go around.  thumbsup.gif

That's your opinion. I live in a part of my state were farming is quite common and I've seen slaughter houses on the inside. I know how they are killed. It's the food chain, part of nature. All humans meat eating has had our bodies evolve to process cholesterol and fat better... That's nature.

No its not nature to eat meat as a human its conditioning of course you can choose to do that...We are omnivores which means the ability to do both..

Also the health of the United States is worse than any developing country ironically, so far the body hasn't evolved to handle the amount of animal fats , we are the forerunners in obesity and heart diseease,cancers, etc etc....You become what you eat....

I can see that you get your education on the six o'clock news, by the way its biased they tell you what they want you to think its not a thinking mans way to aquire info, its designed to sell and thats it.....


Ted Turner owns a network need I say more??????People starving is a not a myth.......the top soil being scarce is not a myth, the waste going into the water and the air is not a myth, the hole in the ozone layer is not  a myth, the amount of pesticides that are used and have to be increased becasue bugs become immune not a myth, and causings cancers antibiotics being unable to work any more not a myth, but of course this is only my opinion..


Oh I also know what goes on in a slaughterhouse i used to be married to someone that also worked in one for a short time and a few of our freinds they quit and became vegetarians, i DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY You wouldn't heart the journey of those that care when you don't or can't or choose not too or whatever denial maybe in your case.IMO.  its our health dude and future...I've always been amazed by that how some critizice those that err on the side of concern and compassion...hmmmmm interesting logic...

Edited by Sheri berri, 18 March 2006 - 11:51 PM.




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Posted 18 March 2006 - 11:48 PM

A Healthy Tip from BM

SLIPPERY ELM FOOD

Slippery elm (Ulmus fulva) has been used as an herbal remedy in North America for centuries. Native Americans used slippery elm in healing salves for wounds, boils, ulcers, burns, and skin inflammation. Antiseptic poultices made from the mucilage or gummy secretion from the bark were applied to infected wounds. In particular, the Cherokee used Slippery elm for coughs, skin conditions, and as an eye wash.

Slippery elm is also one of four herbs included in a popular therapy called essiac that is promoted for cancer treatment. This remedy was developed by a nurse in Canada in the early 1930's. Later, the formula was expanded from its original inclusion of slippery elm, burdock root, sheep sorrel and Turkish rhubarb to also include red clover, water cress, blessed thistle, and kelp. Today, reports state that there are over 40 variations of these herbal combination remedies on the market, without scientific proof that any of them work.

The conditions for which slippery elm has received recognition from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as a safe and effective option include sore throat (pharyngitis) and respiratory symptoms, such as cough. Herbalists also recommend it for external use to treat wounds, cuts, and certain skin conditions, including diaper rash.

Because of its growing popularity, there has been an increasing demand for slippery elm bark. However, since the wood of the slippery elm tree has no commercial value, the trees are left to die after their bark has been harvested. This has led the National Center for the Preservation of Medicinal Herbs to launch an effort aimed at promoting sustainable cultivation of slippery elm.

Slippery elm is also considered a wholesome nutritional food
, similar in texture to oatmeal and can be prepared as a porridge. Consumed three times per day, unsweetened "elm food" may be a good source of nutrients. Because it is gentle and easily digested, it is well tolerated by people with gastritis and other forms of intestinal problems.

I took a lot of it when I had a stomach ulser and it was gone in no time...it's also great for the skin...BM swears by it wink2.gif  


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Posted 18 March 2006 - 11:51 PM

I like to eat fruits and vegetables that don't have poison sprayed on them.  I believe they are called....organic. yes.gif

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Posted 19 March 2006 - 12:01 AM

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I like to eat fruits and vegetables that don't have poison sprayed on them.  I believe they are called....organic. yes.gif

If you have the means, grow your own! You know for sure they are not chemically treated and you have the satisfaction of growing your own food. I find you appreciate it more. And the kids too!! thumbsup.gif

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