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Posted 05 April 2006 - 10:47 PM

Wow this really sounds interesting...The question is What if...? However I seriously doubt that our science is wrong. But its true what fluffy bunny said, can someone just carve their initials or something like, CHRISTIANITY IS CORRECT!, in a 100million year old rock and say its authentic?
That could very well be what this is.
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Posted 05 April 2006 - 10:52 PM

Huh. I could get any ol' slab of rock with cracks in it and see it's the map of Vancouver...however, I'll know it's not true. I'm not doubting the age, but I'm doubting it's man-madeness. I highly doubt there were any humaniods saphisticated enough to make a map 120 million years ago. That's before really mammals were as big as small lil' mice.
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Posted 05 April 2006 - 11:17 PM

tongue.gif It is true that you can not compair the date of the slab to the the inscriptions, but in the post it said it had three layers, this is what I find interesting and the composition of these layers too. Can anyone explain them?
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Posted 05 April 2006 - 11:20 PM

This story is four years old (Mr-X posted about it on 3rd May 2002 and got zero replies). I have just spent an hour searching the net for more references to this story. All I can find is references to the original story. As this would be one of the most stunning discoveries in history I find the total lack of follow up in four years interesting. Either there was nothing to this story and it died or it's been covered up (light the blue touch paper, retire to a safe distance and watch the conspiracy theorists go!)
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 12:30 AM

Carvings on rocks can be dated in comparison with the age of the shaping and facing of rocks fairly easily with a decent microscope. Over time rocks build up a patina, which under a microscope looks like a kind of skin. If carving is done at the same time as the stone is dressed this "skin" is of a uniform thickness, but if the carvings are added later the "skin" in the carvings will be much thinner than that on the rest of the stone.

This was how the infamous "Jesus ossiary" was proven to be a fake. The Ossiary itself was real but some publicity hungry vandal thought he could get away with defacing a genuine antiquity, and carving Jesus's name on it. Scientists stuck it under a microsope and it took a few days to prove the thing was a fraud.

Now, as Pilgrim has mentioned, 120 MYA is a heckuva long time. Personally, if the "map" really is that old then I'm bloody impressed with the way those dinosaurs were able to dress stone so neatly with their claws... rolleyes.gif
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 02:35 PM

I've got several old maps made out of stone, just like the one on the Pravda story - some dating back more that 120 million years ohmy.gif

Of course, they may all simply be just bits of rock. But no, that'd be ridiculous, wouldn't it? rolleyes.gif

I reckon if Pravda printed a Noddy and Big ears story you lot would believe it was real..... tongue.gif laugh.gif rofl.gif

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 03:11 PM

Hey! Don't get facetious! Noddy IS real!
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 03:29 PM

if you want any more information about any mini proof of super ancient civilization,

the civilization "ica" not inca, said the lived with dinosaurs.

don't know if i should start another thread about "Ica" or just post some random here.

ill post 1 pic of the stones they found during ivestigation.

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 03:33 PM

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if you want any more information about any mini proof of super ancient civilization,

the civilization "ica" not inca, said the lived with dinosaurs.

don't know if i should start another thread about "Ica" or just post some random here.

ill post 1 pic of the stones they found during ivestigation.



Guess what the Ica stones are.................. rolleyes.gif
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 03:35 PM

Excellent recreations of dinosaurs as portrayed in the comics books of the times.

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 03:36 PM

Even for total skeptics a genuine find of the oldest type of Chinese writing is a magnificent find and as precious to the Chinese as finding the Dead the Sea scrolls was to the Judeo Christian world. A search of Chinese archeological finds listed (which is not that easy in a closed soceity) might turn up more information on this. - Bella
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Ten of the first characters of Chinese writing. the "heavenly stems" were supposedly developed by one of Huang Ti's ministers. The names and shapes of these characters have been preserved by tradition. Correspondants to the shapes of five of them appear in Chinese neolithic pottery marks (see attached figure). That so few of these characters should be evidenced is understandable, as less than forty pottery mark forms have passed into modern times, Allowing for some slight modifications the tilt of "I", the reversed position of "Wu", the added dashes to the ends of "Kuei" the shapes of these characters can be seen to be faithfully preserved. However, as Kiang Kang-hu pointed out in 1935, the names of these characters "are unintelligible in the Chinese language. The same terms are often written in different characters in various places. It appears that they might be words of foreign origin translated into Chinese according to their pronunciation."3

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The actual shapes of the T'ien Kan are much like that of Sumerian script from the Uruk/Jemdet Nasr period (Chart 1). (As the Sumerians gave their script a ninety degree lilt during this period I have added an extra column where the Uruk/Jemdet Nasr symbols can be adjusted for better comparison -Chart 2). With the possible exception of "Hsin," the Chinese characters can easily be explained as deriving from the Sumerian. "Chia" is virtually identical to the Uruk character designated 234. "I" is a more linear rendering of 450. "Ping" is only a more compact expression of 692. "Ting" is L 405. Take the half circle away from 444, and we are looking at "Wu." "Chi" is 864. "Keng" expresses a similar idea to 386, though theY shape has been taken away from the sides and instead thrust up the center. "Jen" is a simplified 515. "Kuei" is merely that figure designated 8 78, with dashes added to the ends. Nine of the ten characters of the T'ien Kan can be explained as being derived from Sumerian script and the neolithic pottery marks actually appear to sit as an intermediate form. This is exactly what should be expected if the T'ien Kan was actually derived from Sumeria. link
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 03:36 PM

With so many artifacts unearthed that seem to defy appropriate time placement, one wonders if our dating system in inheritely flawed due to factors we do not consider or a huge misconception on history as we know it. Either way I find this very interesting original.gif
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 03:56 PM

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Lemuria was a hypothetical land bridge connecting Africa and India. It was put forward as a possible explanation as to how lemurs were found only in those two parts of the world - hence the name, "lemuria" (land of lemurs). The hypothesis was abandoned when plate tectonics proved able to explain the phenomina adequately. It became associated with Atlantis in the early part of the 20th century by mediums such as Madam Blavatsky, however, it never existed outside of the theoretical musings of scientists.

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Lemurians yes where between india, africa and australia.

They found old objects around 500 000 years . and that they found ruins and dated it.

no one knows really how long the lemurian lived but what the expert sienctist says that so far they think lemurians existed from 800 000 - 450 000 years.

sientist tells the lemurian and the atlantis people somehow was connected but no ones knows so far yet of atlantis dating.

cant tell more about lemurians.




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Posted 06 April 2006 - 03:58 PM

Re-reading the original post the dating of this stone seems somewhat dubious. The stone could not be dated by normal techniques and so it was dated by the age of shells found on top of it:

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While examining the stone, two shells were found on its surface. The age of one of them - Navicopsina munitus of Gyrodeidae family - is about 500 million years, while of the second one - Ecculiomphalus princeps of Ecculiomphalinae subfamily - is about 120 million years. Namely that age was accepted as a "working version."


But 2 shells on the surfce with dates that are 380 million years apart should ring alarm bells. If you have these 2 shells on the surface that are that far apart in the timeline then how can you possibly use either of them for any kind of accurate date estimation?
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 04:13 PM

These are the "Ica stones" which was found on a cave in Peru.
in the 5ht picture you will see a human and a dinosaur.
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