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#16    Watzel

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 01:56 PM

"Ahmedinejad indicated that the attacks could not have been carried out without the knowledge of the U.S. "security services"

Watzel: And why not?  You think the U.S. Security Services can read their mind?!?! blink.gif


"Considering that Bin Laden have worked with CIA in 80s ..
Anyway you americans can believe what ever you want, I dont care if you believe that Santa or Bin laden or corpse of Nixon masterminded 9/11 its your error.
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We are even more happy than you are!   original.gif

"its hardly my fault they are incapable of objective analysis. As for credibilty, anyone is more than welcome to refute any of it, especialy the fact how the Iranian Ministry of Intelligence and Security hates the taliban. I wonder why CNN or Fox never mentions that?"

Watzel: How can you refute something that hs no proof of existence.  It is all hear say and no documentation.
Fox never mentioned this because it is so blatantly ignorant and obviously only hate propaganda.

Watzel: What other ridiculous nonsense do you  have to post as truth, eh?  sleepy.gif


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Posted 11 May 2006 - 03:06 PM

The official legend of the 9/11/01 attack is rather sparse on motive. Muslim extremists attacked the United States "because they hate our freedoms". This was the only motive articulated by the Bush Administration, but more rational motives were available to consumers of print media: perhaps Osama wanted to punish the United States for stationing troops in Saudi Arabia, and perhaps he wanted to provoke the United States into attacking Arab nations in order to recruit jihadists. But the issue of bin Laden's motive was never a big issue, since he had already been tried and convicted on TV on the day of the attack. All that was important is that he hated us, that lots of Arabs hated us, and that military action was required to stamp out the terrorist training camps in Afghanistan.

Now let's contrast the purely ideological motive ascribed to the elusive Osama bin Laden with the very tangible and material benefits that flowed to the people who actually had the means to execute the attack.

Rudolph Giuliani became an instant hero by immediately appearing for photo ops as the hands-on mayor at Ground Zero, and by taking command of the situation. He was exalted as Man of the Year by Time magazine while he managed the largest evidence destruction operation in history.
George W. Bush enjoyed an immediate surge in popularity and the burying of investigative reports on electoral fraud by his brother Jeb's Republican election machine in Florida. "United We Stand" slogans propagated across the nation as Bush boasted of "smoking out" the terrorists.
The new War on Terror would become the umbrella for whole new levels of pork, unaccountability, and corruption in the nexus of government and industry that would fight the war.
The weapons industries prepared for a new orgy of corporate welfare, as the Pentagon budget would be further bloated. Certainly we would need billion-dollar stealth bombers to smoke the elusive Osama bin Laden out of his cave.
Vice President Cheney's company, Halliburton, would soon be getting fat no-bid contracts to rebuild the infrastructure that American bombs would destroy in Afghanistan and Iraq.
The owner of the World Trade Center complex would receive a $3.6 billion payout for the destruction of the seven buildings, and would seek a second payout on the basis that the attack was two "occurrences" (because there were two plane crashes). Silverstein Properties had just acquired a 99-year lease on the World Trade Center, and a new insurance policy, in July of 2001. Silverstein would be ridded of those white elephants, the Twin Towers, with their obsolete office space and asbestos abatement problems.
The Project for a New American Century got the new Pearl Harbor that it said would be needed to rapidly achieve its goals.


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Posted 11 May 2006 - 06:16 PM

Very good post mate! thumbsup.gif

'They hate our freedoms' is much more credible as a motive though.  rolleyes.gif

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 06:24 PM

Of course Ahmedinejad and Chavez are going to attack George Bush, they both hate America. I wouldn't say world leaders suspect the Bush administration. I would change the thread title to conspiracy theorists and crazy nut jobs suspect the Bush administration.


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Posted 11 May 2006 - 06:28 PM

yeah.... thanks for the laugh. i guess there really are some crazy, bored, virginal conspiracy theorists out there. get a life and education.

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 06:36 PM

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yeah.... thanks for the laugh. i guess there really are some crazy, bored, virginal conspiracy theorists out there. get a life and education.


As a matter of fact I do think conspiracy theorist are bored people who have too much time on their hands. Another thing I did not personally attack you or anybody else, so why attack me?  I probably have a lot more education than you and more of a life than you. I've done my research and I have my own views.

You can have your own views, but honestly you cannot change anything. It's all in the government's hands  thumbsup.gif


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Posted 11 May 2006 - 06:55 PM

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As a matter of fact I do think conspiracy theorist are bored people who have too much time on their hands. Another thing I did not personally attack you or anybody else, so why attack me?  I probably have a lot more education than you and more of a life than you. I've done my research and I have my own views.

You can have your own views, but honestly you cannot change anything. It's all in the government's hands  thumbsup.gif
This is why you won't realise the danger 'free citizens' of America are facing until it's too late.  no.gif


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Posted 11 May 2006 - 06:57 PM

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This is why you won't realise the danger 'free citizens' of America are facing until it's too late.  no.gif


laugh.gif Yeah, the people that are supposely "affected" by all these conspiracies and more are just all blind. But you...in the UK... know it all.

*takes breath of free air* Whoa... I wasn't shot!  ohmy.gif

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 07:00 PM

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Where do ya'll come up with these things????????????????????????


Whistle blowers, investigative journalists.

I would agree, the fact that Hugo Chavez and the leader of Iran are investigating does not make it look very credible to the Americans.  American are taught as they grow up that America is the best country on earth, and it's people are the most informed.  They are taught that government corruption is a conspiracy theory.  I know this because I used to be just like most Americans.  It wasn't until a little research from sources other then mainsteam sources that push the government line.  I never thought America was doing anything bad towards other countries.  I thought all we did was for the good of the world.  Damn education system.  Damn managers of popular opinion.  Damn it all to hell.

Edited by scoobysnack, 11 May 2006 - 07:00 PM.

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 08:14 PM

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American are taught as they grow up that America is the best country on earth, and it's people are the most informed. They are taught that government corruption is a conspiracy theory. I know this because I used to be just like most Americans. It wasn't until a little research from sources other then mainsteam sources that push the government line. I never thought America was doing anything bad towards other countries. I thought all we did was for the good of the world.

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 08:33 PM

huh.gif You have got to be kidding me...and I thought Southerners were supposed to be the ignorant ones. Where did you grow up, scoob? blink.gif  

I was about eleven years old during the Nixon administration and we were discussing it in current events at school then...while it was happening. They expected us to watch and read everything we could find on it and give a report once a week.

Sometimes I think I must have gone to most progressive public school in the US after listening to people here. wacko.gif

Sorry for straying off topic, but they started it. *stomps foot* tongue.gif

Edited by Michelle, 11 May 2006 - 08:54 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2006 - 09:36 PM

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huh.gif You have got to be kidding me...and I thought Southerners were supposed to be the ignorant ones. Where did you grow up, scoob? blink.gif  

I was about eleven years old during the Nixon administration and we were discussing it in current events at school then...while it was happening. They expected us to watch and read everything we could find on it and give a report once a week.

Sometimes I think I must have gone to most progressive public school in the US after listening to people here. wacko.gif

Sorry for straying off topic, but they started it. *stomps foot* tongue.gif


LOL grin2.gif I sure was naive wasn't I.

I grew up republican and believed fully in the trickle down system.  I thought people needed to be told what to do and how to behave and the rich were better at making those decisions then the poor.  I thought of democracy as the ignorant majority making decisions for the rest of the smarter and richer minority.  I pretty much had that point of view until I was 18.  Slowly I started to realize how others saw the world.  I realized the rich look out for themselves and other in the same social status.  The poor were the worker class, to be taken advantage of.  Now as we move towards world government, country bashing is in, nationalism is frowned upon, and looked at as racist or ethnocentric.  We are training our children in group think involving the community instead of the family.

You have to admit it though, most Americans still feel superior to the rest of the world.  And we act like it.


Back on topic.  Here's some excerpts from the letter from Iran's president to GW:

"September eleven was not a simple operation."

"Could it be planned and executed without coordination with intelligence and security services – or their extensive infiltration? Of course this is just an educated guess."

"Why have the various aspects of the attacks been kept secret? Why are we not told who botched their responsibilities? And, why aren’t those responsible and the guilty parties identified and put on trial? All governments have a duty to provide security and peace of mind for their citizens."



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Edited by scoobysnack, 11 May 2006 - 10:08 PM.

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 11:49 PM

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that he was funded by the saudi royal family and the american goverment knew fine well about it.  Did you read the story though?



Sky---Seems the Saudi government has been taking out a lot of bin Laden's terrorist lately. Could it be that the bin Laden refused to pay back his Saudi loans?

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Posted 12 May 2006 - 12:02 AM

[qoute]So in short, the US government staged a fake Osama to tape it.[\quote]

Sky---In short, the mastermind has already made his admissions and the whole incident should have been evident with documents found and arrest made in the Philippines. I guess those terrorist pilots were just taking flying lessons for recreational purposes only. Am I correct?

Edited by skyeagle409, 12 May 2006 - 12:10 AM.

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Posted 12 May 2006 - 12:07 AM

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Considering that Bin Laden have worked with CIA in 80s ..
Anyway you americans can believe what ever you want, I dont care if you believe that Santa or Bin laden or corpse of Nixon masterminded 9/11 its your error.
I am happy that I am not in one herd with sheeps.



Sky---I do believe that our primary objective in Afghanistan at the time was to stop the Soviets from gaining a foothold in the area and moving onward. Sure, we supplied Stinger's that were effective against Soviet aircraft but we did so for a specific purpose, not to support bin Laden's dreams for the future.

Edited by skyeagle409, 12 May 2006 - 01:32 AM.

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