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#1    punkmonkey123

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Posted 29 May 2006 - 08:01 PM

i have a special theory on how we faked the moon landing



we launched into space and rotated the moon several days.... we then had several actors on a set in area 51 pretend they were on the moon. we then launched back to earth unharmed......


proof:


the footprints:converse on the moon?
in a still frame from when the first person was getting off the LEM, you can see different footprints from different tennis shoes, i have even identified as some from converse tongue.gif

flagwaving:one of the most convicing evidence
everyone knows flags dont wave on thier own. how do they wave on an airless envirement?

walking: slow-mo?
on a video provided on another thread from a tv show they show how when you speed the video when they were walking by 2x it looks as if they were walking on the earth

the scenes: same sets?
on the same video, it show some different scenes where if sychronized, have the same backround?

niel armstrong says "the moons surface is like the nevada desserts" home of area 51:
now that just seems odd.... i have nothing to say

no crater from engine blast: was the blast fake?
when they landed on the moon a huge blast is seen, but no crater. doesnt that seem wierd

no exhaust plume when the LEM took off. was it lifted by wires?

when you see the LEM leave the moon and take off back to earth. there is no exhaust plume. could this be the effect of it being lifted by wires?


that is all i have to say on the subject, thank you for reading


EDIT: found something even mor interesting

in pictures you can see shadows, which apparrently shouldnt be there since the only light source is the sun millions of miles away, which still can get there because there is now special atmospere thing that earth has, its tough to explain... but anothere thing about the shadows is they go in different directions...!!!!!! if somebody can explain that in a logical way without making something up, i will be suprised!

Edited by punkmonkey123, 29 May 2006 - 10:50 PM.


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Posted 29 May 2006 - 08:19 PM

The flag waving on the moon?  Click Here

No crater?  It wasn't a 'blast' strong enough to form a crater...it was used for slowing down the speed of the landing module.  Conversly (no pun intended) little power was needed to escape the gravity of the moon.

The best evidence of the moon landing having taken place (besides the obvious pictures and clips of the lunar rover) is the unbelievable technology that has trickled down from the entire experience.  If you really believe that they faked it...you don't understand the race with the Russians!  

Why is it so hard to believe that we actually have done the moon thing? hmm.gif

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Posted 29 May 2006 - 08:24 PM

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The flag waving on the moon?  Click Here

No crater?  It wasn't a 'blast' strong enough to form a crater...it was used for slowing down the speed of the landing module.  Conversly (no pun intended) little power was needed to escape the gravity of the moon.

The best evidence of the moon landing having taken place (besides the obvious pictures and clips of the lunar rover) is the unbelievable technology that has trickled down from the entire experience.  If you really believe that they faked it...you don't understand the race with the Russians!  

Why is it so hard to believe that we actually have done the moon thing? hmm.gif


its odd that site dont have any visual evidece to support their claim that basically would break down the footage and pointers showing cause and affect.  If you look on the footage there are no shaking movements done to the flag pole itself.  They dont sufficently show cause and effect visually that supports the astronauts as bumping or shaking the flag at all, in fact it looks exactly like the wind is blowing it and that is the cause and effect IMO.

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Posted 29 May 2006 - 08:42 PM

All of your "proofs" are flawed in many ways.

Flag Waving: Sure it does. The flag had a stiffening rod on the upper side so it would stand out from the staff. When the astronauts moved the pole, the free corner lagged behind by simple inertia. The flag actually flops unnaturally quickly because there is no air resistance to impede it.

Armstrong's Description:  Yeah It may be a coincidence that Neil Armstrong describes it as the the Nevada Desert.  Its called a Simille(check the spelling on that one)  In case you didnt know, thats where you describe something using the words "like" or "as".

Same Sets:  If NASA was going to fake it, then why wouldnt they use different backrounds to make it seem as real as possable?  My opinion on this one is that they messed up the film.

Blast Crater: If you visit the Web pages for the Apollo missions, it's easy to find photographs specifically showing the LEM engine nozzle and the ground beneath. Now why would NASA deliberately take pictures that failed to show a blast crater?  Why?
Because there is no fluffy, easily mobilized dust on the Moon.

exaust: The downward traveling exhaust stream would impact the ground and rebound mostly outward and away from the surface. Since there is no atmosphere to interact with, the gas molecules would simply fly off and disperse.  The only dust particles that would be displaced would be those directly impacted by the exhaust gas. Since the exhaust stream was concentrated mostly in the area directly beneath the Lunar Module, this zone would experience the greatest disturbance. The area adjacent to the LM would be largely unaffected by the exhaust stream.

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Posted 29 May 2006 - 08:54 PM

well, for the same sets, they would probably think nobody would notice

for flag waving, i think a stiffening rod would be noticeable, which i didnt see

i know what a similie is, i just think it is odd to give an exact location for the desert in a description and if he decribes it like that, since desets have dert under it, it would have a crater!

and the exaust part doesnt even make sense, explain it so a sixth grader can understand



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Posted 29 May 2006 - 08:56 PM

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The flag waving on the moon?  Click Here

No crater?  It wasn't a 'blast' strong enough to form a crater...it was used for slowing down the speed of the landing module.  Conversly (no pun intended) little power was needed to escape the gravity of the moon.

The best evidence of the moon landing having taken place (besides the obvious pictures and clips of the lunar rover) is the unbelievable technology that has trickled down from the entire experience.  If you really believe that they faked it...you don't understand the race with the Russians!  

Why is it so hard to believe that we actually have done the moon thing? hmm.gif


they probably cheated in the race, so they could be the top country, thus... faking a moon landing



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Posted 29 May 2006 - 08:59 PM

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well, for the same sets, they would probably think nobody would notice

for flag waving, i think a stiffening rod would be noticeable, which i didnt see

i know what a similie is, i just think it is odd to give an exact location for the desert in a description

and the exaust part doesnt even make sense, explain it so a sixth grader can understand, b**ch

All you have to do is look closely at any pic of the flags.

How would you describe the surface of the moon if it had those charicteristics?

Well maybe you should have graduated High School and you would then understand it.


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Posted 29 May 2006 - 09:11 PM

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All you have to do is look closely at any pic of the flags.

How would you describe the surface of the moon if it had those charicteristics?

Well maybe you should have graduated High School and you would then understand it.


all you have to do is to keep your eyes open when watching the footage, how can you not see the obvious?

mabey you need some nodoze.



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Posted 30 May 2006 - 03:31 AM

i have found a website, where they sohw alot of evidence where you can prove the moon landing is a hoax: i will show the facts from the site but all credits go to http://www.alien-ufos.com/govmilapollohoax.shtml

I am now going to detail some of the many inconsistencies in the videos supposedly taken on the Lunar surface:

1. There is no atmosphere on the moon due it its low gravity, so how exactly is the US flag in the picture blowing in the Lunar Wind? You cannot explain this away by saying someone had just moved quickly past the flag because this would have no effect on the flag either with no air to be displaced.

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2. The cameras were fitted with crosshairs to make analysis of the photos easier for NASA, these crosshairs were on the lens of the camera. So they would obviously be in front of everything in the picture, the following photos show this to be untrue.

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This picture shows part of a crosshair to be behind a piece of equipment.

3. While on the moon, the LM (Lunar Module) did not move at all, the base of it never left the moon, so how can these two pictures, obviously of the same place due to the identical hills in the background, not both show the LM

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This suggests the use of a film studio with set backgrounds being used.

4. Here we have two new pictures, which are like the previous two, but the anomaly lies in the foreground, the story is, the astronauts walk down the hill in the first picture, which is at quite a distinct angle with plenty of distinct rocks on it. Then the astronauts get on the Rover (moon buggy) and travel 2.5 miles away. Then, in true Blair Witch Project style, they walk down the exact same hill, incredible!

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5. There are many examples of this and I could flood you with pictures, but I think this is one of the best ones on the subject

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It shows an astronaut on the moon with the sun behind him, which interestingly has a halo, an effect only seen when viewed through an atmosphere, so this picture was obviously not taken on the moon. How, if the sun was the only source of light on the moon, is the front of this astronaut lit up? This again points to the pictures and videos being made on a movie set because they have used many light sources.

6. This is another topic for which I could provide many images, but this one has notation and makes the point very clear
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How can shadows from the sun intercept each other? This again shows that many light sources were used when filing the videos, something which was not available to the astronauts on the moon.

Facts


Bill Kaysing, head of technical publications and advanced research at Rocketdyne Systems from 1956 to 1963 estimated that there is a 0.0017% chance of surviving a trip to the moon, there are many things which can kill you: radiation, solar flares and meteorites.
On pictures taken by a Russian spy satellite of Groom Lake Military Base (AREA51), you can clearly see a section of the desert which is totally clear of any plants. This area of land has craters on it, and it looks exactly like the surface of the moon. On closer inspection, one of the craters is identical to a crater supposedly seen by the crew of the Apollo 12 mission from their LM as it landed. The picture also shows hangers which look similar to the kind of buildings you would find at Hollywood, the whole set up looks like a movie studio.
As the LM landed with the astronauts in it, you could clearly hear the voices of the men, but there was no other sound, surly the engines of the LM would be heard firing as it approached the lunar surface.
When the LM left the moons surface it looked like very old-fashioned movie special effects. It jumped of the base as though a cable had hoisted it up suddenly and there was no exhaust ploom as the engines fired.
The cameras used to take all of the pictures were on the front of the astronauts suits, they had no view finder, all they could do was point themselves at what they wished to take a pictures of and hope. So, how were thousands of amazingly lined up, almost 'posed' pictures taken? This is another piece of evidence, which points towards a film crew making the videos. The bulky design of the spacesuits only made taking a decent picture more difficult.
On the moon, if you are stood in sunshine, it is 250 degrees above, if you are in any shadow, such as that of the LM, the temperature is 250 degrees below. The spacesuits were well designed with layers of different material each doing their own job, but the fact that no Apollo astronaut ever suffered serious illness is incredible.
The Russians have revealed that they never thought about going to the moon because they had no idea what the radiation would do.
Russia have never sent their cosmonauts to the moon and NASA have no plans to send astronauts there (again?).
The moon landing, if it is a movie, would be the most expensive movie ever made.
The most powerful telescope in the world does not have the power to see if remnants of the lunar missions are still on the moons surface as they should be. However in 2 years time the Japanese are sending an orbiter to the moon to take close up photos of the entire surface, this should prove whether NASA went to the moon, or would NASA let the Japanese tell the world of their findings, would NASA send up empty LMs and robots to make footprints and place flags, or is this the reason President Bush wants a missile defence system?
Just months before the Apollo 11 mission, Armstrong can bee seen testing the Lander at an air base, he crashes it after never really being in full control of the craft, ejecting at the last moment. He was never going to be able to fly the Lander successfully or safely on the mission.
This is quoted form the National Geographic Magazine in their Q+A section.
Q   When Alan Shepard hit a golf ball on the moon, did it come back to the surface, or was the moon's gravity too weak?
A   In 1971, astronaut Alan Shepard, an avid golfer, hit two golf balls with a makeshift six iron he smuggled aboard the Apollo 14 mission. He joked that the ball flew 'miles and miles and miles' in the moon's low gravity, one-sixth that of the Earth. Actually both shots landed in the moon dust less than a hundred yards away.

The moon has low gravity and no atmosphere, so if someone who was an avid golfer hit a ball on the moon it would literally go for miles. The only possible suggestion I have for a golfer not being able to make a 2000yard drive is the spacesuit getting in his way or the low gravity conditions making things difficult. I still believe that this does point towards the footage being filmed on Earth, though, hence the golf shot being just pretty average with the spacesuit obstructing his swing.
Gravity


One of the things which tripped NASA up the most was how they replicated 1/6 of Earth's Gravity. The way NASA tried to achieve this effect was by taking footage on the Earth's surface and then halving the speed of the videos. This does, at first sight, look like low gravity conditions, however what this does not change is the stride (or hop) length, or the height the astronauts jump to, because the footage is slow, they appear to be jumping far and high for their speed. If you double the speed of the moon footage, everything looks like it is in a 10 Newtons/Kilogram gravitational field strength, i.e. on Earth. To give the astronauts that extra bit of bounce NASA used cables to hold them up, if you look very closely at some of the footage you can see the cables. Its like pausing The Matrix so you can see the few frames where the camera crew are reflected in Neo's sunglasses. However, slightly more convincing than seeing the cables is seeing their effects. One astronaut falls over, then, without either help from his colleague or using his arms to push himself back up, he returns to an upright position.



People Against NASA


NASA did have its critics around the time of the moon landing, there were people who said NASA was unsafe and people who knew too much in relationship to the size of their mouth. So plenty of people died, maybe god wanted the achievement of his achievement to remain plausible. Gus Grissom was a veteran space traveller, he frequently spoke out about NASA, he criticized them and infamously said 'Someone is going to get killed', that someone was him. He was inside the capsule, which caught fire just before take-off, communication had failed and the whole crew perished. The families of the men think the fire was not an accident, Bethy Grissom, Gus's widow, wants NASA to come forward and tell the truth about the Apollo missions. The capsule remains locked away at a military base.

Charles Barrent submitted a 500 page report to NASA about their safety, he said such things as: 'The Apollo program is in a huge mess, they will never make it to the moon'. One week later a train hit his car killing him, his wife and his stepdaughter, the report disappeared.

Between 1964 and 1967, 10 astronauts lost their lives in freak accidents. It is believed that very few people at NASA know the whole picture of what happened, this minimises the chances of a leak. A rocket engineer, who worked for the company producing the rocket engines for the Apollo program reported many problems and unreliability issues prior to the mission.



Radiation


Around our planet are huge radiation bands, it is up for debate how thick they are, but estimations show that the Apollo astronauts would spend approximately four hours in the radiation. This is possibly the strongest proof we have against the moon landings ever taking place. There are two natural bands of radiation called the Van Allen belt, the first being just under 300 miles from Earth. No other space projects have ever gone into these deadly areas apart from the Apollo missions. In 1962, the US government implemented Operation Starfish Prime, they tried to use a megaton nuclear bomb to blast a hole in the radiation, in their infinite wisdom they made the radiation worse, by 2002 this third band will still have 25 times the amount of radiation than the natural bands.

There is no way for astronauts to get through this radiation without having at least: hair loss, severe sickness, vomiting and diarrhoea, impaired vision, and death within a two month period, however no Apollo astronauts ever suffered illness from travelling through the radiation.

Sunspot activity follows an 11 year cycle, every 11 years there is a the greatest amount of radiation, one of these peaks was between 1969 and 1970, there is no way men stood that radiation and made it to the moon. Between the Apollo 16 and 17 mission, one of the worst solar flares on record occurred, this would have given enough radiation to instantly kill any astronaut, however the astronauts were fine, they were safely away in AREA51.



What Happened


On July 16th 1969, Apollo 11 set off on a 250,000 mile, 8-day voyage to the moon. So, everyone saw the astronauts take off, that was not fake, however, they never went to the moon, they simply orbited for 8 days and then rentered the Earth's atmosphere 8 days later. The satellites were not there back then for the rocket to be detected, so the astronauts were safe, up in their low orbit, while back on Earth the world watches previously recorded videos of the astronauts on the moon. These videos had been filmed at AREA51 and were broadcast to the TV stations around the world. The world watched Neil Armstrong descend the ladder of a Lander he couldn't fly properly, onto the desert in AREA51.

Edited by punkmonkey123, 30 May 2006 - 04:09 AM.


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Posted 30 May 2006 - 04:40 AM

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they probably cheated in the race, so they could be the top country, thus... faking a moon landing


Of course the whole USSR (which was another member in the race) did not have anyone intelligent enough to see your "proof" rolleyes.gif

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Posted 30 May 2006 - 05:11 AM

Firstly.....if you want to be taken seriously, don't resort to childish name-calling.


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in pictures you can see shadows, which apparrently shouldnt be there since the only light source is the sun millions of miles away, which still can get there because there is now special atmospere thing that earth has, its tough to explain... but anothere thing about the shadows is they go in different directions...!!!!!! if somebody can explain that in a logical way without making something up, i will be suprised!



In much the same way as the moon is a source of reflected light from the sun to us here on Earth, viewed from the moon the Earth also reflects some sunlight back at the moon. Therefore, there are two light sources, albeit, one much brighter than the other.


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It shows an astronaut on the moon with the sun behind him, which interestingly has a halo, an effect only seen when viewed through an atmosphere, so this picture was obviously not taken on the moon.


When viewed or filmed through a camera lense you would also get a halo effect.......the lense acting in a similar way to the Earth's atmosphere.

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Posted 30 May 2006 - 08:54 AM

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Of course the whole USSR (which was another member in the race) did not have anyone intelligent enough to see your "proof" rolleyes.gif


Again, the hoax, if true, is fooling a vast cadre of experts world-wide, yet ineptly unable to pull the wool over the eyes of a few ideologues on some fringe web sites!?

I dont think so.  laugh.gif

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Posted 30 May 2006 - 09:08 AM

I may be wrong, but why do we never see images of the flag on the moon?

Dunno about you, but if I was to head to space or run a mission to the moon..... I would want to feel that proud feeling of seeing a landmark.

We have pretty much learned what we want from the moon, so there are other fish to fry out there.
It is often forgotten we know more about the moon than we do the bottom of the oceans and seas of Earth.

I would say I most interested in Europa than any other location in the solar system at present.

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Posted 30 May 2006 - 11:45 AM

I guess there really won't be any rock solid proof till telescopes can take a clear picture of the lander frame that is still there. Even then sceptics will say that they are fakes.

I heard once that the Russians did get to the moon, but only with an unmanned craft that tossed out some small flags onto the surface.

I believe that right now the best cameras that can take pictures of the moon show the first lander frame as only a single pixel. When resolution improves in the coming years we will finally be able to see.

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Posted 30 May 2006 - 12:07 PM

The Ruskies actually brought back moon dust/rocks, a perfect match to the stuff the Apollo team brought back.

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